Author Topic: Nick? or ??? - Smokin' vs. Zone Classic (GP) (Read 2242 times)

high_revs · « **on:** February 26, 2006, 03:42:31 AM »

With similar layouts, how do the Smokin Inferno & Zone Classic (Green-pin) compare with each other? Opinions? Length? Hook? Reaction?

thanks

Strider · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2006, 06:52:55 PM »

A simple trip to Brunswick's site should give you every thing you need to know.

Smokin: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/smokin_inferno

Zone Classic: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/zone_classic
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Speedburner89 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2006, 07:32:58 PM »

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Strider · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2006, 08:31:25 PM »

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In my opinion... Classic outhooks Smokin' so, don't just go by the web site like the cocky guy told you to. Brunswick said the Punisher and Rampage were going to be close or similar.. and are they? Um.. no.

From what I have seen, the classic is going to hook earlier (more overall) because of the core but have a slight tamer backend, while the Smokin' will go longer but have a true skid/snap backend reaction.

So this is actually a decent post to see what everyone has to say! :-)

-Chris
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Oh, so now I'm cocky? Where did that come from? Forgive me for providing information straight from the source. I tend to trust the people who design and manufacture the ball over people who throw mostly on soft conditions that make too many balls look similar. Brunswick probably gets their numbers for length, hook, back end... from Throwbot throwing on a standard condition. Gee, I'd hate to have a consistent rev rate, thrown on the same line, on the same lane to compare my findings.

Oh, by the way, acording to Brunswick's site, the Rampage and Punisher don't look anything alike to me, so I guess you must be a reliable source?

Rampage: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/bvp_rampage

Punisher: http://www.brunswickbowling.com/bvp_punisher
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high_revs · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2006, 11:46:19 PM »

Thanks for the info conspir.... I just wanted user feedback & tell definately from brunswicks numbers. I thought that they would be fairly similar though. thanks

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2006, 12:17:33 AM »

The Zone Classic is the better ball from what I have seen. The Smokin just seems to by too long which can mean squirty on some carry down. The ZC has consistent read and backend reaction whereas the Smokin can get really over/under on some conditions. The ZC can be used on a wider variety of conditions and patterns compared to the Smokin.
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Strider · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2006, 02:28:43 PM »

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I'm not saying anything against Brunswick or anything like that. I absolutely love Brunswick. I have 8 balls and 7 have they're coverstock.

Once the ball is used outside of the Brunswick headquarters, the ball maker really finds out what the ball is made of. And that's the whole point. Throwbot hits the same mark so eventually the ball checks up early and that's why it can never throw a 300 with the same mark. No human is perfect, so then you get to see how the ball is when you DON'T hit the same mark. When it's hitting a different oil spot every once in a while.

Secondly, I think we all know where to find the reaction of a bowling ball on they're site. Do you think your cool and posting the site where they are? I'm totally capable if getting to that page in under 5 seconds by typing it in and hitting enter.

Thirdly, I guess you don't pay attention very often. In the early stage of production it was said that they might be too close to eachother, but it's almost impossible to keep the backend down on this ball. Even if the Rampage is drilled with a pin over 5.5 inches, it rips on the backend. They were supposed to be like a 1-2 punch and they don't even come close if drilled the same way. But yet they were supposed to be close to eachother. 15 less hook rating isn't much.. fyi, so that has to be wrong. And a Punisher doesn't have that much angularity.. so that's another thing that should be changed. The most angular ball I've every seen is the Silver Streak from Roto Grip. The thing goes like 50 feet on most conditions.. sick.

The only reason I like you at all is because you have Penn State in your signature, and I'm going to PSU next year.

-Chris
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First, many people, including many of our regulars, don't know how to navigate around the manufacturer's websites, or what information is even available there. Again, I prefer to use the information made available from the experts, not the opinions of potentialy misinformed people who can't repeat shots or throw on a wall where everything looks similar.

Here's a guy who has purchased many Track balls apparently didn't know that the information he wanted existed on Track's site.

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=114235&ForumID=14&CategoryID=2

I thought I was being helpful, not "cool" as you put it. Brunswick provides actual numbers for their equipment. If you don't believe it, that's your choice.

Second, I only used Throwbot as an example. I'm sure Brunswick knows how to run proper tests. If they were to allow it to throw over the same line long enough to change the reaction, I'm sure they would take it into account or move it. If you're hitting a different sopt of oil each time, it's not an accurate relection of the ball.

Thirdly, I don't pay attention to every rumor out there, so I could have missed something early on. There is also a reason that they are rumors. However, that's irrelavent since we're dealing with the numbers of the final released product. The Rampage and Punisher are very different animals. As long as you're dealing with fairly fresh walled up lanes with booming backends, you won't appreciate the difference. There certainly is a way to tame down the backend of a Rampage, or any ball for that matter. Placing the pin where it can conserve a ton of energy in the hands of a pretty high rev guy is certainly not the way I would attack the "problem". The Rampage has a lot more midlane than the Punisher. The Punisher really skids on any appreciable oil and flips on the back as long as it has the proper dry to work with. The Rampage is strong enough that it will start to make it's move much earlier. Everything you've told me indicates that you throw on nicely oiled heads with crisp backends; just the kind of reaction that limits ball differences. On a flatter pattern, the Rampage and Punisher would make a nice 1-2 punch for medium and med/light patterns.

If you can get 50' (even if you're exaggerating slightly), I know you have a lot of head oil. One of my all time favorites is the Silver Streak Pearl, and the cover is too strong to get mega length unless you sand it much finer and re-polish. It has wicked backend (especially OOB), but it has quite a bit of midlane for a pearl (more so after it breaks in a bit).
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Author Topic: Nick? or ??? - Smokin' vs. Zone Classic (GP) (Read 2242 times)

high_revs

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high_revs

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