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Fury Pearl Advice - Need Lots of Advice
« on: August 19, 2007, 01:44:48 PM »
Hi, I just found this site - it looks great.

I've been a casual bowler (maybe 5-6 trips to a bowling alley per year) for many years.  I never really studied bowling but I enjoy it, and I've never owned a ball or bowling shoes; I just rent them when I play and try to find a ball without too many dents.  

I always assumed a curving ball was for more advanced bowlers and until this week had no clue that oil on lanes even existed.  Mostly I just throw a deliberate, pretty slow, but fairly smooth straight ball.  My average is probably about 145-150 but I once bowled several times in the same week and had a 197.  A few times I've had 5 strikes in a row.  My ball just goes straight for the pocket; on a decent game I might get 3-4 or more strikes with one or two accidently coming on the opposite side (a Brooklyn?).  My straight shot comes in pretty handy when trying to hit spares.  Last data, point - I'm not that strong (old shoulder injury) so I like to bowl with a 12 lb ball (don't laugh too much .  

Anyway, I spent some time doing some research on the web and discovered the whole notion of oil, the need for a curving ball, etc.  After considering various balls I discovered the original Fury, and then the new Fury Pearl.  (Like others here I have a bit of soft spot/preference for Brunswick.)

So, if I were to buy a 12lb Fury Pearl, the questions are:

1. Will it still go straight when I play my regular straight shot?

2. What are the chances I could learn to throw and control a curve?  (My understanding is that the Fury Pearl will curve later, with a less of a big arc, than the original Fury - true?)

3. Will the Fury Pearl be ok under various conditions (dry, medium, oil) - keeping in mind that I'll probably try to roll it straight until I figure out how to throw a curve?  (The place I'm most likely to bowl tends to be  medium to oily.)

4. Given that I'm buying my first ball (and it might be overkill but I unless it will hurt my game I figure I can "grow into it"), what is the recommended hole drilling configuration?  (Whatever you folks recommend I probably won't understand completely (or at all?) but I'll pass it along to the person who drills the holes.)  I'd like something that will give me decent control with a modest/moderate but usable curve.

5. On the Brunswick web site is a spec sheet:

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/1N/qJ/1NqJY0DZntqWttWzX6nbWQ/Ball-dynamics-all-weights-Jun07.pdf

- This spec sheet seems to show that the core used in the 12 and 13 lb balls is different than the core used in the 14, 15, and 16 lb balls.  Maybe this is a reason not consider the Fury Pearl?  Any idea what the difference in "performance" would be with the different shape of the core on the 12 and 13 lb balls?  

I read somewhere that a rental ball plays 2 lbs heavier than a purchased ball but I have hard time believing that; for 1 lb more I might move to a 13 lb to get the better core but I'm can't imagine being happy with a 14 lb ball.  (With rental balls I've tried all the weights and 12 lb is the max before I feel like I'm fighting the ball.)  Maybe even with the lesser core technology the 12 lb Fury Pearl would still be ok, or not?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help with these questions.

 

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Re: Fury Pearl Advice - Need Lots of Advice
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2007, 09:59:29 PM »
Tough break with the shoulder.
There arent too many balls out there with a highly dynamic core at 12 lbs.

If I were to recommend anything, it would be a lighter oil ball like a Punisher.

The core is intact at 12 lbs, and the cover will help you out, and its less money than the high performance stuff.

Balls move on the lane much easier at lighter weights, the fury pearl will be way too much ball for you.

Punisher will be better geared toward an open bowling style of lane, broken down oil, and short oil from it being played on for many games.

Assuming you have a shoulder injury in the past, I think it will be difficult for you to give the ball more push if you needed it. The fury pearl on an open bowling lane will need too much push from the bowler to stop from hooking roo early.

Punisher, and at most a Rampage.

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Re: Fury Pearl Advice - Need Lots of Advice
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2007, 11:22:07 PM »
Thanks for the quick replies - I appreciate it - I'm definitely up for any sincere advice.

BrunsRicOH - I noticed you drilled 220 balls in one day - pretty amazing; do you have have any advice on how to drill a ball that will go straight when I want it to go straight and also give me a chance to develop a controllable curve?  (is there some middle of the road, safe drilling configuration?)

- What do you think the chances are that I could somehow throw a 12 lb Fury Pearl straight and over time figure out how to develop a curve?

- I saw (and appreciate) MegaMav's reply - it's just kind of hard for me to imagine how I could go from not being able to make a ball curve at all to making it curve too much  (I feel like a total rookie when I read about ball specs, drilling instructions, etc - it's a lot to figure out).  My thinking is how could such a nice ball be any worse than the balls you rent (it should go straight and hit the pins solid, right?) and if it curves a bunch I'll figure out how dial-out some of the curve, no?  (Or maybe reducing the curve takes even more arm strength?)

Thanks

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2007, 11:33:41 PM »
Hey New Old Bowler, well I'll try to jump in here so I can give you advice while we're waiting for Ric to reply back.

A ball, like one MegaMav stated, (lower performance) will work great for you I think. Getting a Fury Pearl will just be a "waste of money" I guess you can put it. If you want a ball to go straight, get a lower performance one, and try throwing it straighter keeping your hand behind it longer. Any ball you get, that you throw flat handed, will go straight if it's a true flat hand. You will save yourself good money by buying a cheaper ball if all you want it to do is go straight.

Any BVP line ball ( http://www.brunswickbowling.com/bvp__monster_-_value_priced ) will work well for what you want as long as it's not a Mammoth (or a ball like that), that ball may not work out too well because of its coverstock strength. They're lower performance so they'll be easier to flat hand really. Because if you don't flat hand it completly, it still won't hook/curve a lot. They will hook, though. Can't go wrong on the BVP equipment. If you ever wanted to try a hook, then there will be nothing holding you back from trying it.

I hope I helped in some way/shape/form, if not then just ignore my whole post. I find myself sometimes not helpful, but I try whenever I can.
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Re: Fury Pearl Advice - Need Lots of Advice
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 12:01:45 AM »
Hi Brian,

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.  I generally get the idea of wasting $ but what I'm not quite getting is why the Fury Pearl would be wasted $s.  

- will it be harder to make it go straight than a BVP?
- will it be too hard to make a Fury Peal curve?

- Also, can you please give me the definition of "flat hand"; any more info on that would be helpful.  (I feel like a guy asking Henry Ford and his managers to describe what they mean by internal combustion

My guess is the difference in these balls might be $100 plus or minus; after waiting a few dozen years to buy a ball I figure I'll go for whatever it takes to get the sense of what's possible; on the other hand if a Fury Pearl is going to be so hard to manage that I'll seldom hit the pocket or more often than not throw gutter balls, then it would probably be the wrong ball.  Another way to say explain it is that I'm willing to do some "research and development" with my technique and if somehow the "higher performance" ball will help me figure out what's possible/desirable than I'm happy to make the investment.

Either way, I appreciate all the experience and insight everyone is sharing.  I'm clinging hard to the Fury Pearl but a few more posts telling me to consider something else and I might have to listen to all the voices of experience

Thanks again

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 12:24:14 AM »
Hey, glad I can help. The Fury Pearl will not be harder to make it straighter than a BVP, and the Fury Pearl should curve/hook more than a BVP. That's the problem. It may hook too much for something you would want at your level as of right now. I don't even like that big of a curve/hook right now at my level. I'm no pro or anything by any means, just a 195 (summer average) house shot bowler.

Back to the subject, though, a "flat hand" is a term for staying straight up through the ball through the whole arm swing. When you turn your wrist, it's gonna turn the ball and put "revolutions" on it, so that will make it hook. If you stay "flat handed" on the ball, it's gonna keep the revolutions off it, so that means it keeps the hook off it. So any ball you buy, that you flat hand perfectly, will go straight. That's why if you buy a Fury Pearl it won't be worth it. It's like buying a ball because it has a nice color. I mean, if you like how the Fury Pearl looks, and don't mind spending some extra cash, then go ahead, no stopping you. I know I would buy a ball for the color if I only through a straight ball.

Again, I hope I'm helping and not leading you in the wrong direction. Anyone correct any bad points i'm making. Only trying to help here.
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Hi Brian,

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.  I generally get the idea of wasting $ but what I'm not quite getting is why the Fury Pearl would be wasted $s.  

- will it be harder to make it go straight than a BVP?
- will it be too hard to make a Fury Peal curve?

- Also, can you please give me the definition of "flat hand"; any more info on that would be helpful.  (I feel like a guy asking Henry Ford and his managers to describe what they mean by internal combustion

My guess is the difference in these balls might be $100 plus or minus; after waiting a few dozen years to buy a ball I figure I'll go for whatever it takes to get the sense of what's possible; on the other hand if a Fury Pearl is going to be so hard to manage that I'll seldom hit the pocket or more often than not throw gutter balls, then it would probably be the wrong ball.  Another way to say explain it is that I'm willing to do some "research and development" with my technique and if somehow the "higher performance" ball will help me figure out what's possible/desirable than I'm happy to make the investment.

Either way, I appreciate all the experience and insight everyone is sharing.  I'm clinging hard to the Fury Pearl but a few more posts telling me to consider something else and I might have to listen to all the voices of experience

Thanks again

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 01:06:24 AM »
Hi Brian,

Thanks, your comments are definitely helpful.

Any chance you can help me interpret this chart: ?

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/UB/Ci/UBCipk7g87-Xwoo5o9bHPg/Brunswick-Ball-Comparision-Chart-June07.pdf

I see MegaMav's Rampage on the chart but not the Punisher (maybe it's an older model?).  Does 1-40 somehow equate to the 40 boards on an alley?

I noticed the BVP Rampage is even higher up the vertical scale than the original Fury (but not as high up as the Fury Pearl).  I guess the higher the position the more the sharp turn at the end?  Even so, it would seem that the BVP Rampage will produce a notable curve? - so why not just go with the Fury/Pearl?  Or maybe the BVP Rampage's curve is more "controllable"?

Another ball I noticed is the Vapor Zone???

I'm starting to get the impression that the so-called high performance balls will be harder to control - you have to throw them just right or the curve will take you somewhere you'd rather not go - is this correct?

On the other hand, the lowest performance balls don't respond so well and it's hard to make them do much more than go straight?

So - what I'm looking for is something that can produce a controlled curve (I prefer more of a turn at the back end than a big sweeping curve) and that can be delivered with a modest amount of technique/skill.  Ideally, it would curve/snap at the end without a ton of precise skill - but it shouldn't make huge curves that are difficult to control.

The (almost) last part of the equation is that I'd like a ball that works best in "medium" conditions; something that won't be a complete dud on dry(ish) lanes and something that won't be completely useless on very oily lanes.  I don't know if such a "mid-condition" ball is possible?

Again, my notion is that any of these balls will run straight (with the flat hand motion you described - which is what I think I use); so when in doubt I might take a ball that is a tad easier to curve than a ball that is somewhat hard to curve - because I can always drop back to the flat hand straight ball if needed; but when I'm practicing rather than "competing" I can work on the curve/snap with a ball that is responsive but not overly difficult to control.

I hear you about paying more for looks/color and it wouldn't be the first time I've done something like that but what I really liked about the Fury was the tremendous remarks it got in the reviews here.  You could just tell how delighted a very high percentage of the users were with the ball - including how it drives through the pins.

What I can't tell is if the Fury/Fury Pearl will make me feel like a new driver trying to steer a Formula One car (where any little wrong movement of the wheel can produce a very exaggerated and unwanted response); if so, I get the point and need to dial down to something more appropriate.

This would be a lot easier if there was a way to demo these balls....

Thanks again

Edited on 8/20/2007 1:09 AM

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2007, 01:30:52 AM »
- found the answer to one of my questions (about why a purchase ball supposedly can be 1-2 lbs heavier than a rental ball)

sawthis on www.cheapbowlingballs.com :

Selecting the Proper Ball Weight

The weight of the ball should be roughly ten percent of your body weight. Another good rule to go by is to choose a ball that is one to two pounds heavier than the house ball you are bowling with. The reason being is that the grip on the house ball is incorrect and a custom fit ball will feel much lighter because it will be easier to hold on to.

- I can possibly believe 1 lb; not so sure about 2 lbs, but maybe

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Re: Fury Pearl Advice - Need Lots of Advice
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2007, 02:03:02 AM »
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Does 1-40 somehow equate to the 40 boards on an alley?



The 1-40 on the chart has absolutely no correlation to the boards on the lane.

Do you have a local pro shop that you could go to for advice?  If so I think you're barking up the wrong tree here at BR.com.  Personally I think a bowler at your level needs advice from someone in person.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2007, 02:21:16 AM »
Hey J Mac,

I get your drift - kind of like your tag line says:
"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice."

Clearly, I'm looking for advice.

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2007, 04:51:12 AM »
Hi D Pat,

Thanks for the info and advice.

You know, just a couple days ago (after many years of straight line bowling) I got the bug to figure out "modern" (curve) bowling; I learned a lot by searching for and reading articles on the web - but it gets pretty complex with all the geometry and technology; tonight after posting here and realizing that it's a tough subject to master via a text-based forum I took a look on the web for some videos and found several.  In case it helps (or entertains) anyone else, below are ones that I found informative (and entertaining).  

- Mostly I think I detected how the approach and especially the release need to be adjusted to throw a curve.  I'm inclined to try one of the higher performance Brunswick balls.  Thanks again to the posters here.

(There are some non-Brunswick balls in here but I thought I detected at least a few bowlers using the Brunswick Fury)

In no particular order:

1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=78785488069641101&q=bowling+release&total=123&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6667759891086333552&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7816147994438068083&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4235121266099137926&q=bowling+release&total=123&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6942885349407803755&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8114047662576542457&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8390585156488014087&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4398485589621430655&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3948018124889659860&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7428208679899423733&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5135943663768809508&q=bowling+release&total=116&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7042441626164668273&q=bowling+release&total=123&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4796443363032301295&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

14 4 step approach
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1699991830183102012&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

15 not so good release
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7140963280213731342&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=901881660767498296&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=40&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

17 comments on form from above url (scroll down):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIQgl5N8cDg

18
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4732467671573347394&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=50&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

19 nice drive at finish:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8253617749735035121&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=70&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6178396853600039466&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=90&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

21 Shiny vs. Dull ball:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3994416443538567010&q=bowling+release&total=120&start=110&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

22 axis/migration/tilt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENobe_b89EI&mode=related&search=

23 Brunswick Throbot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJVzoXIQ24g&mode=related&search=

24 CG Rule:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A8ph5r3w6A&mode=related&search=

25 Bowling Technology/Ball Design and Manufacturing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDUl1512EaY&mode=related&search=

26 Backward Bowling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64vbnwtL7I8&mode=related&search=

27 How to Hook: * (Handshake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phLUHfK76mk&mode=related&search=

28 comments from above URL (scroll down):
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=phLUHfK76mk&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DphLUHfK76mk%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D

29 Learn to Bowl Properly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1Fb0bS6K4&mode=related&search=

30 Different Techniques:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxnu-SIAU0A&mode=related&search=

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Re: Fury Pearl Advice - Need Lots of Advice
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2007, 06:30:39 AM »
Yes the punisher is discontinued.
It hasnt been too long, about a year or so.

I on the chart I want to say the location of that ball is/was I-7.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2007, 06:55:56 AM »
there is a heavy 12 pounder for sale at buddiesproshop.com, one of the best online proshops that sells anything you need.

This is an overseas release punisher, hence the different name, but its the same ball:

http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/3955/Revolution_Blood_Bowling_Ball_-_Limtied_Supplies.htm
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2007, 02:47:02 PM »
He does speak the truth!! I have never seen Ric make a single mistake.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2007, 03:07:54 PM »
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Good thing you never make mistakes Ric


"The Truth" is just hatin because he doesnt have his own wiki shrine.
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