Author Topic: Goliath drilling (Read 5157 times)

SuperFred · « **on:** July 14, 2005, 01:28:04 AM »

Blarg. I've recently gotten back into bowling after a fairly long layoff. I got my old barely used Track Stomp redrilled ( http://www.madcowdisease.org/Gallery/Bowling/Stomp.jpg ), and it does fairly well on light-medium oil. On anything heavier, or even just some carrydown, it will not move at all. Pro shop guy recommended a BVP Goliath, so I got it earlier this week ( http://www.madcowdisease.org/Gallery/Bowling/Goliath.jpg ). The problem is, it's not moving much in the wet at all. Bowled with it last night on some fairly heavily oil lanes with weak backends (school holidays... yeck), and it was moving a few boards at best. I bowl at 16-18MPH, with a fairly high track (you can see it not very far to the left of the holes on the Stomp drilling) and not a huge amount of revs.

Err, I guess my question is: could the drilling be at fault? I'm not sure on the specifics, and don't really know much about drilling in general

a_ak57 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2005, 09:47:19 AM »

It's probably burning up. WIth that drilling, the pin is likely close to your PAP, which means it will want to start rolling really early. Add to that, that the goliath is a dull high load particle and you have a great candidate for the ball burning up.
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2005, 08:18:01 PM »

the goliath comes from the factory wetsanded 400 grit---this is one aggressive particle ball and it's meant for oily lanes. this ball probably has the highest particle load of any ball on the market. the lanes you're bowling on may not be that oily or have that much carrydown---the ball may be burning up too much energy. try wetsanding the ball to a finer grit( 800, 1,000, 2,000, etc.).

Edited on 7/14/2005 8:13 PM

SuperFred · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2005, 08:20:05 PM »

Is there much I can do about that? The ball does seem to go very early, and has no energy left when it gets down to the backend :| Plug it up and get a different drilling? Sell it off and look for something more suitable? I live in Australia, and have had some trouble finding a capable pro shop guy, sadly enough. If I can get it redrilled, what should I ask the driller guy to try? I had a look on the Brunswick website, but they have no downloadable drilling instructions/layouts for the ball, just "use the included sheet"... which I don't have :<

BAPS_Eric · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2005, 08:38:57 PM »

The pin location on that drill pattern as AK57 pointed out is way too close to your PAP. It looks like 1-1/2 inches away from your PAP which is a control drilling and doesn't really move alot. Have the guy redrill it 4 1/2 Pin2PAP, sand it to 800 and you should be ok.
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droolly · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2005, 08:42:32 PM »

If you would like a bit more on layouts try going to bowlingknowledge.com and look in the tips section. They show some different ones and explain how each one reacts.

SuperFred · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2005, 09:45:10 PM »

Thanks for all the replies. I guess I get to go back the ball driller and tell him that I'm not happy with the drilling, scary.

Ta 152: why 2E and 2L specifically? I am more of a Low-Medium RPM player, and according to the drilling sheet I eventually found, these layouts will give me 'medium' hook potential with early/late roll... and 2E may hit the finger holes for High Track players (me again). Is there any particular reason not to go with 1L?

a_ak57 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2005, 09:47:41 PM »

The 1L layout would still be too strong. 2L should work, I guess.
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shipper50 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2005, 10:20:01 PM »

You could always buy my Goliath for $45 shipped single drill rh, and plug them both and find a drilling that will do what you want? Its drilled stacked right now....

SuperFred · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2005, 10:53:39 PM »

Thanks for all the information, people

I'll talk to the ball driller in the morning. Should be something along the lines of "I am not happy with the reaction of this ball, and would like it drilled like this *point at 2L*". If he can't/won't do that, I guess I'll try a different pro shop.

shipper50: tempting, but slightly impractical. I live in Australia, so shipping is not exactly cheap, especially if I want it to get here quickly

There are 3 decent sized tournaments happening in August, so I'm trying to get organised before then.

a_ak57 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2005, 11:04:13 PM »

I don't know HB, even for a stroker, I just think the combination of a leverage drilling and a super high load, 400 grit particle ball won't go over well, especially since he's already having trouble with it burning up. My thought is, better safe than sorry. Because the 2L won't under-react by any means, and you don't have that "what if" with the 1-style drillings.
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Mr Bass · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2005, 08:33:24 AM »

quote:
Thanks for all the replies. I guess I get to go back the ball driller and tell him that I'm not happy with the drilling, scary.

Ta 152: why 2E and 2L specifically? I am more of a Low-Medium RPM player, and according to the drilling sheet I eventually found, these layouts will give me 'medium' hook potential with early/late roll... and 2E may hit the finger holes for High Track players (me again). Is there any particular reason not to go with 1L?

A 1L drilling on a Goliath is downright scary, plus it might burn up. I throw a Nemesis drilled 1L, currently 800 grit wet sand. And I'm a high track, med/low rev stroker...

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Activator · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2005, 12:25:50 AM »

my pap is 4.5" over and .5" down i drilled mine 5x5 and left the box finish on it...i have never had this ball burn up...if you don't stay up the back of it or you spin it too much off your hand it seems to never read the pattern or it burns up early...i wanted to get the flares to open up quicker so i put a whole down on the axis line 7/8...2 inches deep

SuperFred · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2005, 05:22:49 AM »

Went on a journey to see a different pro shop guy. He was rather unimpressed with the drilling, saying it greatly limits flare and is entirely wrong for my style, joy :| Getting it redrilled early next week similar to 2L on the Brunswick chart. Also buying a Nemesis to use on medium-heavy, and keeping my poor old Stomp for drier stuff. Hopefully I can get the drilling on that one right the first time

Thanks for all the help!

SuperFred · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2005, 09:34:11 AM »

Must be about time for an update. Ball redrilled kinda like 2E (http://www.madcowdisease.org/mcd/gallery/Bowling/Goliath_Retry.jpg). We have track flare, woo! I've so far had 5 or so people tell me to put it away in league, since I get some ridiculous carry with it

My track does seem to cross the edge of the thumbhole sometimes, but only if I screw up the release. Now to work on the minor problems I have, like accuracy, consistency, and sparing. Then I'm all set!

Thanks for all the help/suggestions

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