Author Topic: HELP Rico & Nick. (Read 9256 times)

dumbcomputers · « **on:** June 29, 2008, 07:18:51 AM »

I drilled up a new Ultra Zone this week and something is seriously wrong with it. I drilled it with the #2 drill on the Brunswick drill sheet (5 1/2 from PAP MB @ 45). It doesn't flare at all and worst it starts rolling on my thumbhole half way down the lane like it's flaring in reverse!!! The only thing strange about this ball is the location of the CG but my driller said it was under 1 oz side weight after drilling as it didn't have a huge amount of top weight. This ball does not hook at all. I threw it today back to back against a Cherry Vibe drilled 5 1/2" to PAP pin up and the Vibe hooked about 10-13 boards while the Ultra did nothing. Is it possible it's defective somehow???

The pro shop is closed till July 7th but I wanted to get some feedback before talking to the driller. Thx.

BTW: my PAP is 4 1/4 and 15/16" up, 16-17 MPH, 250-275 RPM, 15 degrees tilt.

http://members.cox.net/dumbcomputers/Pics/UZ.jpg

Edited on 6/29/2008 3:23 PM

dumbcomputers · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2008, 04:25:40 PM »

Does this help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEWkWitQAcQ

dumbcomputers · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2008, 04:38:21 PM »

OK, maybe I was exaggerating about the Vibe. I guess my point was that the Vibe made a noticeable move to the pocket where as the Ultra had absolutely no move and no flare (maybe even reverse). Even if the lanes were toast I would expect to see the ball flare in the right direction. The lanes weren't slick but it did have some oil on it.

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2008, 08:27:43 PM »

While your here Ric
Whats the differance between rolls with pin near pap,versus pin near track.Anything other than one rolls early an one doesnt.I hope that didnt sound stupid
--------------------
"I hate losing more than I love winning"

dumbcomputers · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2008, 08:35:26 PM »

Thanks Chris, you summed up my style pretty accurately. That was a pretty old video, here's one which is a bit more recent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUKeY_NubFM

I purchased the Ultra knowing it was a rather rolley ball and was what I was looking for to handle the carrydown I typically see. The ironic thing is I don't see any roll on this ball. It goes down the lane, does not flare, and does not make any change of direction. It's almost like the core dynamics are working against the ball making it go straight, if that is possible. I'm baffled by it.

dumbcomputers · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2008, 08:45:12 PM »

Thanks Rico, I have thought of this being the problem. The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that my Vibe is laid out with a similar 5 1/2" PIN to PAP and I don't have any trouble with flare on that ball and it never inverts the wrong direction. I realize that I'm comparing a symmetrical ball to an asymmetrical one but do you see why I'm baffled?

quote:
First of all, as always thanks for the inciteful response Chris.

As far as little or no flare, this tells me you have the primary pin to close to your track. When you get the pin that close to either your PAP or track, it will pull that way, which can cause it to invert or minimize flare.

I would suggest placing a piece of tape on what you think your PAP is and see how close it is. If it is off, then adjust until it is on your release flare. This will help in regards to the layout.
--------------------
Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling

www.BrunswickBowling.com
www.DBKMiniCamp.com

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish."

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2008, 09:43:49 PM »

Thanks for the info again Ric
--------------------
"I hate losing more than I love winning"

Dyno-Joe · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2008, 09:48:53 PM »

My take of this is that you just got a bad core in the ball. It happens, rarely but it happens. I am not saying anything against Brusnwick equipment, but maybe something wasn't right with the core and they did not catch it. I personally LOVE this ball. I hope you get everything fixed away for you to throw this great release.

dumbcomputers · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2008, 10:36:06 PM »

Are you looking at the Ultra Zone drill sheet???

http://members.cox.net/dumbcomputers/Pics/num_2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/dumbcomputers/Pics/Zone-Ultra.pdf

Please note my PAP is 4 1/4 over so the PIN will be a little bit left of what the diagram states.

quote:
I have my layout sheet and that doesnt look like a #2 layout. I agree with others, the core aint the problem, Is this a new driller or have you use this guy before,

Edited on 6/29/2008 11:09 PM

Edited on 6/29/2008 11:13 PM

bowlingmytmouse · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2008, 06:29:40 AM »

It is topics like these that keep me frequenting the forums!!! LOL

BMM
--------------------
Roto Grip forever!!!! What else is there??

Team Member Of
Hoss Central Inc.

BallReviews-TECH · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2008, 09:06:03 AM »

Let's keep discussion on-topic please.
-BR-Tech

Moe · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2008, 12:07:04 PM »

Prob have the pin to close to the PAP, as suggested you may want to check the pap again, because it could be that you have migrated it up. Maybe you are staying more behind the ball now as opposed to spinning it. There is also a topic in the drilling & layout section that answers the question you asked, pin to pap/pin to track locations and its effect on ball reaction.

FWIW my ultra is a beast, i love it, the hybrid enmotion floats through the heads, the core revs up hard in the mids and it has a nice pop on the back end. Much more controllable for me than my twisted i see to much angle with my twisted at times. Great for opening the lane up and swinging, the twisted. Of all my equipment the ultra is the easiest to read.
--------------------
AIM = y2moe99

baer300 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2008, 01:02:10 PM »

Chris, You keep coming on here and bashing the Blast and Ultra Zone core. Maybe you don't like them but i can guarantee that many others do. I for one love them both. Can't throw my Blast to often b/c it is too strong and it never quits. Same goes for my Ultra, oh by the way both balls are pin down. I am also a very high rev bowler and neither ball quits or is to rolly for me. Now I don't know you or anything about you, but you do talk alot of smack. Frankly, I don't care either, but sometimes it gets a little old to hear you always tlaking smack.

But back to the topic, I also agree with the pin being to close to your PAP.
--------------------
BRUNSWICK ADVISORY STAFF
VISE REGIONAL STAFF

johns811 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2008, 07:11:31 PM »

I had the black particle power groove rolled really bizarre. It tracked about 2" higher then normal and I think it flared the wrong way also over the holes. The pin is next to ring. I have many balls drilled that way and this is the only one that rolled that.

A brunswick rep on this site saw my post and replaced the ball.

dumbcomputers · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2008, 12:31:41 AM »

I've done the tape technique many many times. PAP always measures between 4 1/4"-4 1/2" over and 3/4"-1" up.

I am not a tour professional or really that good of a bowler to be honest with you. All I know is I drilled it per one of the recommendations on the Brunswick drill sheet and it doesn't roll right. I doubt if Brunswick will offer any replacement.

quote:
First of all, as always thanks for the inciteful response Chris.

As far as little or no flare, this tells me you have the primary pin to close to your track. When you get the pin that close to either your PAP or track, it will pull that way, which can cause it to invert or minimize flare.

I would suggest placing a piece of tape on what you think your PAP is and see how close it is. If it is off, then adjust until it is on your release flare. This will help in regards to the layout.
--------------------
Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling

www.BrunswickBowling.com
www.DBKMiniCamp.com

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish."

Edited on 7/2/2008 0:44 AM

Author Topic: HELP Rico & Nick. (Read 9256 times)

dumbcomputers

HELP Rico & Nick.

dumbcomputers

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

dumbcomputers

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

luv2C10falll

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

dumbcomputers

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

dumbcomputers

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

luv2C10falll

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

Dyno-Joe

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

dumbcomputers

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

bowlingmytmouse

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

BallReviews-TECH

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

Moe

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

baer300

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

johns811

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.

dumbcomputers

Re: HELP Rico & Nick.