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Keith Frye

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Help with my Total Inferno
« on: December 13, 2006, 02:12:55 PM »
I'm having similar issues with my total as legend4life95 talked about in his post http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=146334&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2  It flares several inches so that is not a problem.  However, it doesn't do much of anything on the back end.  The specs are as follows:

Pin to PAP = 4.25 in.
CG to PAP = 4.5 in.
Pin to Mid Line = 3.75 in.
Starting Top Wt. = 2.4 oz.
Pin out = approx. 4 in.
PAP = 5 3/16 over and 1 in. up
Bowler = medium revs and medium speed
Pic of ball http://new.photos.yahoo.com/ckfrye300/photo/294928803988096291/1

I drilled this ball with the same layout as my Lane #1 Cherry Bomb expecting it to give me a similar look on slightly heavier or longer patterns.  But the Total has very little movement.

I have thrown a Legend's New Standard (drilled the same day as the Total) and Storm Ragin Banshee on the same conditions and both balls gave me much more on the back end.  The New Standard is a solid particle and the Ragin Banshee is a Pearl Particle.  The New Standard has the pin 3.75 from PAP at 75 degrees.  The Ragin Banshee has the pin at 2 in. from PAP.  With those covers (both at box surface) and layouts I was getting good reactions so I don't think the Total is burning up too soon.

I have tried the Total at box surface (which I'm not sure if it was actually rough buff as it seemed much shinier), 1000 abralon, and wet sanded to 360 with Ultimate XXX on top of the 360.  So far the 1000 abralon surface seemed best but still not what I was expecting out of the ball.  The look with all three surfaces was not that much different.  I do have to admit that since it has only been one week since I drilled the ball, I have not had the opportunity to dry different surfaces on one lane condition.  Each surface prep was at a different bowling center.  

The first center (box surface) has a house shot that is dry out and usually wet in the center but it was drier that night.  The 1000 abralon surface was in a center where we use slight variations of the PBA regional patterns.  We were on a 40 foot shot (close to pattern #1 I believe).  The 360 with XXX was on a generally high scoring THS.

I'm open to any suggestions for surface prep or the addition of an extra hole.  I don't remember the ending static weights.  It has a little finger and side but not a ton.

Thanks for your help!

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crankncrash

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 08:19:20 AM »
I can't tell you your exact problem, but i don't think that the total is going to be an oiler to be honest.  I can really crank mine and make it one, but if you expect it to keep up with particles i just dont think it will. I have a feeling that you may not have matched the ball to the pattern you will like it on yet.  It will be a little strong for a THS for guys with hand, but should be comparable to a Black Widow for those with less rotation, good reaction not too rediuculas and good pin action for those with out much to start.

Keith Frye

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 09:31:44 AM »
Thanks for the reply Crank.  I don't expect it too be as strong in oil as a particle ball.  I do think it should have more reaction at the end of the pattern or off dry outsides.  Maybe the flare is occurring too early.  Possibly a strategically placed extra hole will increase flare down lane.

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 11:38:32 AM »
A couple problems. One, like crank said, The Total really isn't an oiler. Two from what you described of the surface, you probably have one of the first ones that came out of the factory with the high gloss polish. And three the Total is not meant to be sideways in the backend, it is aggressive yes, but it meant to be smoother throughout the lane.

I have a question about how far apart are the flare rings at the moment?

First thing I would recomend is take down to 220 or 360 abralon and hit it with Ruff Buff.
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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 11:56:25 AM »
The first batch came polished i got one in yesterday used it in league last night great ball, i finds it needs to move in the oil to be used with good success. It started hooking too early by game 2 used it to shoot 7 pins the other 2 games because it made it across the lane with no problem.

Maybe it is the 1 st run of balls which seem to be like alot of brunswick balls for the higher rev guys. For whatever reason there staffer balls seem tamer than the balls released to everyone else, i also had a first run Smokin Inferno from the eliminator last year that hooked less than the White pin one i picked up last month.

Maybe it is production issues or they know the higher rev guys mainly get the 1 st production run just a thought on the issue.

on edit my ball is 2 nd run rough buff which is pretty dull by inferno standards.

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 12:26:04 PM »
Well the first thing that I will tell u is that brunswick balls hardly ever fly on the backend. They tend to roll earlier and be a lil smoother then most companies out there. Umm and getting a 4 1/2 inch pin with only 2.4 oz of topweight isn't a good match for snap.
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Keith Frye

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 12:27:04 PM »
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I have a question about how far apart are the flare rings at the moment?


To give an exact answer, I'll have to check it at home.  I'd estimate they are about 1/4 inch apart.  Not on top of each other and not real wide.

 
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The first batch came polished ...Maybe it is the 1 st run of balls which seem to be like alot of brunswick balls for the higher rev guys. For whatever reason there staffer balls seem tamer than the balls released to everyone else...Maybe it is production issues or they know the higher rev guys mainly get the 1 st production run just a thought on the issue.


I'm pretty sure the ball I got was one of the first produced as I had it in my hands on Nov. 6th and most places were still waiting for them at that time.  I know they are experiencing some "growing pains" at the new plant and that may or may not be a factor here.  As far as releasing different balls to staff guys, I don't think they would change production to do that but who knows.

I'll try more surface adjustments and see what happens.  If that doesn't yield a better reaction I may try an extra hole.  Hopefully the BrunsRicH, BrunsNick, BrunsBob and company will chime in also.

Thanks for the replies so far!

Keith Frye

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2006, 12:45:49 PM »
Sorry, the photo was set for private viewing.  You should be able to see it now.

Zack, I'm not necessisarily expecting it to "fly" on the backend but right now it goes pretty straight.  On heavier or longer or flatter patterns I expect to have to play straighter.  On a house shot, I should be able to open the lane up at least to some degree with this ball.  As for the top weight, a little more may havee been better.

Thanks.

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2006, 12:49:31 PM »
On edit - CG to PAP is 4.5 inches not Pin to CG.  Pin to CG is about 4 inches.

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2006, 02:38:53 PM »
On oil my outhooks the action by about 3 boards, i still think it is 1 st batch issues whether mix problems or more for staffers. My Total hooks enough not as much as an action max or infinite one but more than an action does.

My vapor zone was a few boards weaker when i switched to it in game 2, send big b an email and ask that they replace the ball. I will bet they will if enough people complain about them, bad batches happen it reminds me of another so called heavy oiler i bought 3 years ago that never hooked for me at all. 2 former tour players were able to generate maybe 10 boards total hook with that ball, they normally play 4 th arrow in on the same pattern. The company denied bad batches even though numerous br members reported same findings as me, since then all other balls from that company have been great.

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2006, 02:43:29 PM »
Ric, Nick, Rob, any comments or suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2006, 02:59:19 PM »
Got my Total last week drilled 3 3/4 x 3 3/4 pin under ring cg kicked out with 2.2 top. Ball does not do much at all on the back-end but has good flare. Thinking of putting a hole under my pap. I have 5/8 side and 1/2 thumb.. Hooks less than my Absolute(4x4). I added a little more surface with a pad which did help a little.

I also thinking there might be a bad batch of balls out there..




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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2006, 05:57:51 PM »
Drilling into the MB enhances the mass bias differential. The Total Inferno and Hawg Zilla do not have a dynamic mass bias. No matter where you put the theoretical mass bias you would not notice the difference.
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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2006, 08:53:03 PM »
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Re: Help with my Total Inferno
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2006, 09:39:26 PM »
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