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Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« on: May 23, 2008, 12:26:57 PM »
used it successfully?
If so,
- what is your release and delivery style,
- on what type of lane surface and oil pattern have you used it, and
- how is yours drilled.

(If your rev rate is 400 and over or 200 and under, I can't relate to that, but thanks for reading this.
If your ball speed is 18 mph or over or 13 mph or under, same thing. Thanks anyway.)

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2008, 12:20:31 PM »
Do you ask for these specific balls or PK18 solid in general?

I did a lot of surface experiments with my Awesome Finish (which is a PK18 solid ball), from the OOB polish through re-polish, 4.000 grit Abralon and finally Finesse-It II Trizact compound. Style stats in my profile, I'd call myself a stroker with lower speed (~14.5mph) and medium revs (~275RPM).

Typical lane surface would be older Brunswick AnvilLane and System300 synth. Oil patterns woudl also range from 35' short and thin house shots through 38' THS to 42' flatter patterns - overall, I witnessed the following reactions:

With the AF, the 4.000 Abralon surface made the ball read the lane much better and earlier than polished - I'd say 4-5' earlier on the same pattern. The breakpoint remained pretty sharp, but I rather "blame" it on the killer core inside. Not an oil ball, but I am sure that 2.000 Abralon or a coarser surface makes the ball/coverstock suitbale for oilier shots, no doubt.

The AF worked very well with this sheen surface, also handling oil and a carrydown slightly better than OOB, but it was, concerning its reaction, too close to my S&A. So I added the Trizact compound for added length (the PK18 solid took this change very well, the overall reaction fell between the 4.000 surface in control, and the OOB polish in length, more or less the best of both worlds), and that's what the ball's prep still is.

Hope this is a bit helful?
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2008, 12:41:37 PM »
Thanks, Dizzy. I understand what happened with the AF. It had a special super gloss finish on it, much more highly polished that the balls about which I was interested. I'm interested in their reaction because I have them. I can test them myself, of course, I just wondered it was worth the effort. I've had luck using pearls at 4000 grit less so with solids. With solids I am usually better off with a light polish. Just wondering how people found them.
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 03:06:53 PM »
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I've had luck using pearls at 4000 grit less so with solids. With solids I am usually better off with a light polish.
Now, on the other hand, no matter what ball it is or by what company, I rarely have luck with polished equipment, and generally use 1000, 2000, or 4000 on everything, pearl or solid.  Higher ball speed and lower rev rate really change things, eh?
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2008, 03:44:25 PM »
I keep my Nemesis at 4000. I love it. It gets a little farther down the lane and has a monsterous flip. I'm near the top o your ranges but underneath both of them. I would recommend 4000 for a nemesis for sure.
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 05:06:38 PM »
I've thrown two Nemeses and one Wizard at 2000 smooth.  One Nemesis was drilled 2E, and the other 1E with an XH in the thumb-positive quadrant, while the Wizard was drilled 4E.  For me, this seemed to be a rather ticklish surface preparation, for lack of a better term.  At 2000, all three of these balls were just long enough in the mids and late enough in reaction to put me into over-under trouble on everything except for shorter patterns with a well-defined back end.  The 2E Nemesis and Wizard worked really well for me both in box finish and at 600 with polish.  The leverage Nemesis gave me the best look when polished.

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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 07:02:22 PM »
charlest,

I tried the Wizard at 2000 and 4000, but found it better at 2000. Most of the PK18 stuff I liked anywhere between 1000 and 2000, because I've found that cover is best when you're getting some skid with the oil rather than with 4000 or polish. In other words, the "strength" of PK18 to me is it's reliable, predictable read on the lane.

By the time I got to around 4000 I had pearl coverstocks that hit harder, like the Fury pearl or even the Ultra Zone (hybrid) and Twisted Fury, but that would depend entirely on lane conditions you're seeing. I hope this helps.

By the way, I do believe I fit into your criteria as far as ball speed, revs, etc.

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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2008, 07:17:36 PM »
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I keep my Nemesis at 4000. I love it. It gets a little farther down the lane and has a monsterous flip. I'm near the top o your ranges but underneath both of them. I would recommend 4000 for a nemesis for sure.
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Thank you, Locke. How is yours drilled?
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 07:23:53 PM »
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I've thrown two Nemeses and one Wizard at 2000 smooth.  One Nemesis was drilled 2E, and the other 1E with an XH in the thumb-positive quadrant, while the Wizard was drilled 4E.  For me, this seemed to be a rather ticklish surface preparation, for lack of a better term.  At 2000, all three of these balls were just long enough in the mids and late enough in reaction to put me into over-under trouble on everything except for shorter patterns with a well-defined back end.  The 2E Nemesis and Wizard worked really well for me both in box finish and at 600 with polish.  The leverage Nemesis gave me the best look when polished.

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My Nemesis has the 2E drill. With any polish, even light, it has a ferocious backend. I may need a flare reducing weight hole in addition to a 2000 grit finish. With my slightly slower speed and slightly lower Rev rate, it's been too much to use it anywhere so far.

My Bruiser has the 4E drilling it wasn't bad with the stock polish smoothed out slightly by Track's 1500 grit Clean and Smooth. Still it needed real medium oil to cut down the backend.

I suspect you were encountering too much oil, maybe medium+ (?) for the 2000 grit to be effective for you. I'm lucky to see medium oil. Of course, that could be the crux of my problem.

Thanks your post does help.
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2008, 07:27:55 PM »
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charlest,

I tried the Wizard at 2000 and 4000, but found it better at 2000. Most of the PK18 stuff I liked anywhere between 1000 and 2000, because I've found that cover is best when you're getting some skid with the oil rather than with 4000 or polish. In other words, the "strength" of PK18 to me is it's reliable, predictable read on the lane.

By the time I got to around 4000 I had pearl coverstocks that hit harder, like the Fury pearl or even the Ultra Zone (hybrid) and Twisted Fury, but that would depend entirely on lane conditions you're seeing. I hope this helps.

By the way, I do believe I fit into your criteria as far as ball speed, revs, etc.
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Thanks, Lane.

I understand about your use of 2000 grit. Like Bracket Creep, I'm guessing you, luckily, face medium oil or heavier and can use these solid PK 18 balls. I'm dying to. It's all too rare that I am able to use them. I was hoping to use the Bruiser this past winter and spring but the house lightened the oil even more and I couldn't use the Bruiser couldn't even think of taking the Nemesis out of the box.

That's the reason I wanted to try 2000 or 4000 grit on either of these balls.

I have a PK 17 pearl, Red/Black Monster, at 4000 grit, and on/in my summer league, it just barely usable so far. I have to be more consistent in taking some hand out of the release. I'm wondering if the Bruiser at 2000 grit will use up just enough energy in the midlane to hit with authority?
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 07:31:59 PM »
You're right, I DO see plenty of oil. Down right slick when you have to play straight up 7 board with the Ultimate Inferno and Fury solid and the like. Give it a shot! You can always take them back to whatever works best, right?


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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2008, 07:33:42 PM »
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I keep my Nemesis at 4000. I love it. It gets a little farther down the lane and has a monsterous flip. I'm near the top o your ranges but underneath both of them. I would recommend 4000 for a nemesis for sure.
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Thank you, Locke. How is yours drilled?
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It is drilled to get down the lane a little. I don't know the exact drilling but something like 5x4? something like that
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2008, 07:49:25 PM »
Locke,

That's kind of like a 2E drill that Bracket and I have on ours. Ours have the pin below the center of the bridge area.
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Re: Has anyone taken a Wizard/Nemesis/Bruiser to 2000 or 4000 grit matte and ...
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2008, 08:00:52 PM »
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Locke,

That's kind of like a 2E drill that Bracket and I have on ours. Ours have the pin below the center of the bridge area.
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Yeah mine has the pin just above the bridge so it does sound very similar. I do have to say though. My ball was completely dead. I gave it a hot water bath and didn't get much. Even after changing the surface. Just these last few weeks in my PBA league the ball has come to life. Out of nowhere it is one of the hardest flipping/hitting balls I have ever owned. My Cell and Speed Zone are the only things that flip harder.
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