Author Topic: New BVP "Copperhead" & "Swarm" (Read 6661 times)

dizzyfugu · « **on:** May 07, 2008, 05:38:18 AM »

Germany's Brunswick distributor Spobag is quick/early - through hint from a fellow bowler, here some infos on the "Copperhead", as well as the rumored 'buzz' about the "Swarm".

The "Copperhead" seems to be a more potent Wizard replacement, PK18 solid at 800 grit with the low RG Rocket core, the "Swarm" is also a PK18 ball, but pearl, with a higher RG core that has almost identical numbers and probably absolute equal performance as the Rampage.

No Activator... quite a disappointment... no great overall progress, IMHO, except for some more roll on oil for the Copperhead. Take a look here (websites are German only).

Copperhead pic:
http://www.spobag.de/Seiten/balls/Copperhead/Brunswick-Copperhead.jpg

Copperhead data:
Artikelnummer: 60-104912-93X
Schale: PowrKoil 18 Reactive
OberflÃ¤che: 800-Grit Wet Sand
Hakenpotenzial: 130
LÃ¤nge: 80
Breakppoint: 60
HÃ¤rte: 76-78

RG MAX: 2,539
RG INT:
RG MIN: 2,496
RG Diff: 0,043
RG ASY:
Avarage RG: 3,5
verfÃ¼gbare Gewichte: 10-16 lbs.

Swarm pic:
http://www.spobag.de/Seiten/balls/Swarm/Brunswick-Swarm.jpg

Honeycomb Core pic:
http://www.spobag.de/Seiten/balls/Swarm/Swarm-core-image.jpg

Swarm data:
Artikelnummer: 60-104910-93X
Schale: PowrKoil 18 Reactive
OberflÃ¤che: High Gloss Polish
Hakenpotenzial: 105
LÃ¤nge: 105
Breakppoint: 75
HÃ¤rte: 76-78

RG MAX: 2,571
RG INT:
RG MIN: 2,530
RG Diff: 0,041
RG ASY:
Avarage RG: 4,6
verfÃ¼gbare Gewichte: 10-16 lbs.
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Edited on 5/7/2008 1:44 PM

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #16 on:** May 07, 2008, 05:56:37 PM »

Yep again I think both of you are right depending on the batch.

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Sidewinder is a low-load particle! Bruce
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« **Reply #17 on:** May 07, 2008, 06:09:03 PM »

On the Rampage, just take one and knock the shine off (maybe 2000 abralon) and look closely at the cover. The red is solid, and the gold is pearl.

Regarding the Monster Bruiser, I think the percentage of pearl additive was smaller on most of them that I saw, nevertheless, it was still there.

I never saw any of the Sidewinders that lacked the particles, but I don't doubt that it could have happened. I learned about that on this site. Who'da thunk it?

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batbowler · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2008, 06:10:03 PM »

BrunsRico even confirmed that it's a hybrid on another post several months ago on the Rampage. Sorry, didn't know about the oops on the failed particle injection on the Sidewinder! I just know that I bought several for my shop and knew they were hybrid low-load particle. See it pays to read these posts! Thanks, Bruce
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theleftside · « **Reply #19 on:** May 07, 2008, 06:35:39 PM »

if you want to read about the balls in english refer to the new may issue of bowlers journal pg. 94

charlest · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2008, 09:59:44 PM »

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On the Rampage, just take one and knock the shine off (maybe 2000 abralon) and look closely at the cover. The red is solid, and the gold is pearl.

Regarding the Monster Bruiser, I think the percentage of pearl additive was smaller on most of them that I saw, nevertheless, it was still there.
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NOW he tells me! Sheesh!

I went to polish my Bruiser after I read this. It does seem as if the light blue streaks have reflective particles like mica. If true, there is a little bit of pearl in it.
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« **Reply #21 on:** May 07, 2008, 11:03:50 PM »

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NOW he tells me! Sheesh!

I went to polish my Bruiser after I read this. It does seem as if the light blue streaks have reflective particles like mica. If true, there is a little bit of pearl in it.
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Edited on 5/7/2008 11:04 PM

batbowler · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2008, 11:18:58 PM »

I'm just an ole chunk of coal, but I'm going to be a diamond someday! See even a chunk of coal has aspirations to become a diamond. Just a little humor thrown in, Bruce
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BeansProShop · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2008, 11:38:16 PM »

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Brunswick stole these core designs from lane#1.. I swear if you squint really hard, spin around 3 times really fast and click your heels together, the core becomes a diamond...
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Joe Jr · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2008, 11:40:11 PM »

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Rob Law said it a few months back.

also, Swarm looks friggin AWESOME!

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J Mac,

F.Y.I. The Rampage was indeed a hybrid, as you call it. At the time of it's release the term "hybrid" was not commonplace in the industry, so it wasn't labeled as such. Even before that, the Monster Bruiser was also a solid/pearl mix.

This information has been confirmed to me personally by the R&D Dept. at Brunswick (Bill Wasserberger). Have a good one.

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Edited on 5/7/2008 5:26 PM

I'm going to wait till I hear that straight from someone at Brunswick, until then it's it's straight PK18 Pearl.
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How the hell can they sell a ball for seasons saying it's PK18 Pearl and then all of a sudden tell us it's something else?
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northface28 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 07, 2008, 11:45:00 PM »

Cause its Brunswick and they can do whatever they want.
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silverwing · « **Reply #26 on:** May 07, 2008, 11:56:31 PM »

If the above information is correct, where the Copperhead and Swarm have PowrKoil 18 coverstocks, then this is very disappointing in my opinion. I was looking forward to these releases, because Brunswick had a chance to release something really special, i.e. using Activator instead. While there is nothing wrong with PowrKoil 18, it seems like the same type of ball is getting released in the BVP line each time one is discontinued. The Nemesis/Wizard is a prime example. I sincerely hope the information is wrong, because Activator solid and pearl on the Rocket core would be a fantastic combination, and an immediate hit for Brunswick.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #27 on:** May 08, 2008, 05:08:35 AM »

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If the above information is correct, where the Copperhead and Swarm have PowrKoil 18 coverstocks, then this is very disappointing in my opinion. I was looking forward to these releases, because Brunswick had a chance to release something really special, i.e. using Activator instead. While there is nothing wrong with PowrKoil 18, it seems like the same type of ball is getting released in the BVP line each time one is discontinued. The Nemesis/Wizard is a prime example. I sincerely hope the information is wrong, because Activator solid and pearl on the Rocket core would be a fantastic combination, and an immediate hit for Brunswick.

Same opinion here, too. Ever since the low RG Rocket core came out I had hoped for an Activator pearl ball with it. It would IMHO be hot and innovative in the mid range arsenal, and should also be a technically good combo.
While PK18 is not a bad thing at all, esp. the Swarm is rather a disappointment - pretty much like the Wizard replacing the Nemesis some time ago with no "progress" or added value despite different colors, while other manufacturers (just look at Ebonite's Gamebreaker) have high end coverstocks trickle down into the mid range balls. How long are Brunswick's customers supposed to wait until they see a "simple" Activator ball? Very conservative, IMO, and nothing that makes the brand attractive (*yawn*).
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Grayson · « **Reply #28 on:** May 08, 2008, 05:26:26 AM »

this is because they want to sell their new/old UI....

with a midrange ball with the activator coverstock... the "high" end ball wouldn't be so high end anymore... just a guess but I think a good guess.

it is all marketing imho. the high end coverstocks are from my point of view not much moreexpensive than the older ones... the cores should cost the same... so it is all about hype and marketing.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #29 on:** May 08, 2008, 10:10:53 AM »

The UI re-release is IMO another marketing disaster. Imagine, putting a ball back into business that is 2 generations "behind" the state of the art. I an not sure if this is either a smart move, re-issuing a (relatively) rather outdated piece with a big price tag, or total black out? It is taking on strange forms, and the new BVP balls are IMO not s sign of progress and added value for the customers, rather of conservativeness and maybe even lack of ideas and "working" technolgies. No innovations, just fall-back options.
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CharlieBrown · « **Reply #30 on:** May 08, 2008, 10:45:31 AM »

I think eveyone's views are very fair.

I would buy anything with low to mid RG with Activator / Activator+ in a heart beat.

The only BVP that I'd consider getting are the Mammoth (Activator particle) and the Sidewinder.

Copperhead is a damn cool name, just that I still have 2 x NIB Danger Zone. Don't need a Swarm, as my Twisted and Avalanche Pearl should cover it.

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