BallReviews

Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 05:10:32 AM

Title: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 05:10:32 AM
it has a 3" pin and 4.7 ounces of top weight.
HA!
im seeing if i can get an exchange on it from bowlingball.com
anything you could do with 4.7 ounces of top weight?
i'd imagine the x-hole would be the size of a softball.

Edited on 11/9/2005 2:01 PM
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: brinen28 on November 09, 2005, 01:12:19 PM
o the joys of ordering online!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: Mr Bass on November 09, 2005, 01:42:09 PM
Besides drilling the holes very deep?
And is it true when you have a lot of top weight, the ball goes longer?
--------------------
"Smokey this is not 'Nam this is bowling, there are rules"
"Maybe those Ebonite balls hit too hard. They're too good" -Jason Couch after leaving a stone 8 pin
"Yeah but the Brunswick ones get all ten though" -Brad Angelo
"One thing I love about bowling you never have it all figured out" -kingpin76
¡Viva la nación!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 02:19:27 PM
personally, i think if the top weight is too high, it actually wobbles on the lane. i havent confirmed this, but would make sense...
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: a_ak57 on November 09, 2005, 02:29:20 PM
A top weight of 4.7oz wouldn't make a ball visually wobble.  Depending on where you put the CG, drilling the finger holes deep would help.  Keep in mind, you can have up to 3oz of static weight in any direction, so your goal is really just to try to eliminate that extra 1.7 ounces.  A good CG location, deepened holes and a weighthole should do the trick.  But don't fret, if your pro shop guy is good he'll be able to find a solution.
--------------------
- Andy
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 02:33:31 PM
i thought it was 2 ounces top/fingers and 1 ounce side at most?
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 02:35:39 PM
3oz top/bottom, 1oz side to side, 1oz finger/thumb

I could handle 4.7 top no problem.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 02:35:53 PM
i stand corrected!

http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/rules/Chap%207%20-%20Specs%20and%20Certs.pdf

should i hang on to this thing then?
4.7 is an awful lot.
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 02:38:51 PM
what kind of layout could i do with those specs and a 5" span?
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 02:43:15 PM
wow, nick, you've drilled a ball with that much TW before?

is there any difference in reaction?

Edited on 11/9/2005 3:53 PM
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 02:43:53 PM
Pin below ring, cg shifted 1" from grip center (should give you about 1oz of side)... with an x hole 5" right of grip center to bring it back to 0.

You'll love the reaction.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 02:44:45 PM
quote:
wow, nick, you've drilled a ball with that much TW before?

is there any difference in reaction?


I drilled an Ultimate with 4.5 tw. There are limitations to how you can drill it, but no difference in how the ball rolls in the end.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 02:49:44 PM
damn you're good.
thanks for the info.
would stacked drilling be acceptable also?
with the pin right of ring finger?
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: shrapnel on November 09, 2005, 03:06:23 PM
I love high top weights espeically in agressive shell balls. It gives me a bit of added length without having to over pin or adjust the shell.  4.7oz. is not a big deal especially with a 5in. span (I assume you have decent finger sizes and use a slug or insert 1 1/4 in hole).  I agree with Nick pin below fingers 4-5in and kick the Cg 1 maybe 1.5in. (check side weight before drilling).  Put a hole on your axis back to 1/4+ to 0.  A stack drilling (off the label)is likely going to cause too much side weight as the Cg will likely be 2" or so off your center line.  Thus you may need 1 1/4 hole 3in. deep.  

Jeff S.
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: thfonz98 on November 09, 2005, 03:12:51 PM
i have a vicious attack that started with 4.5 top weight and a 4"pin...just went pin at the lower right corner of the ring finger and stacked the cg with a pretty good sized w.hole...rolls nice for me.
--------------------
I have a problem..i'm a fluffer
F.O.S. Member....They keep multiplying (http://"http://home.comcast.net/~elwert/lane1.jpg")
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 03:14:32 PM
if you look at my profile i have pictures of layouts.
i have a slug in my absolute inferno, and im getting used to it as its my first slug...
yes yes, i was a thumb slug virgin <blushes>

anyway, i use inserts, and will get a slug if needed to get the bigger drilling hole.

i was under the impression that this ball is non-aggressive
but if top weight has minimal effect on reaction, then im not worried.
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 03:50:48 PM
im goin with what nick suggested.
it will compliment my Quantum Fire perfectly with that layout.
i appreciate the information guys.

just out of curiosity, nick, what is the layout on your raven you've posted about in the past?
i know you have at least 1 300 with it.
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 04:59:21 PM
Bump, to get nick's attention...
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 05:00:20 PM
Hi.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 05:01:41 PM
can you answer the above question please?
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 05:06:06 PM
So long as you don't get the CG shifted too far from the grip center, it should be okay putting the pin next to the ring... I wouldn't go further than 1 1/4 - 1 1/2" MAX or else you'll have problems keeping it legal.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 05:07:33 PM
thanks for the info, but i was looking for an answer to the, "what is the layout on your raven" question.
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 05:24:31 PM
Sorry, skimmed thru that.

The layout on my Raven is pin over 5", x hole on my PAP.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 05:41:45 PM
if you take a look at this layout  ---> Danger Zone Black (http://"http://members.fortunecity.com/megamav/dangerzone.htm")

the layout i have in mind will end up similar to that, pin in same location, and CG 1" right of grip center.
i measured it all out with a tailor's measuring strip on it.
im money on this layout.
would you recommend it with the raven?

so let me get this straight then, the CG punch is all about where the top weight is?

i was under the impression that top weight was the representation of how much the core is shifted towards the pin on the surface.

apparently not then, what is top weight?

Edited on 11/9/2005 6:33 PM
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 06:01:28 PM
Shift the CG that far in the Raven, and you will NOT get it back to under 1oz.

The cg marking will tell you the heavy spot on the ball. In Big B pin-out balls, the core doesn't shift much more than 1/8th of an inch from dead center.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 06:11:00 PM
so you're telling me, even though the CG would be 1" dead right of the center of my grip and the pin in the same location at the danger zone layout, that it wont get back to 1oz side weight?

i thought you said previously that the CG needed to be within 1¼"
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 06:15:21 PM
From that picture, it looks like the CG is 3-4" away from the grip center.

Correct?
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 06:16:43 PM
yes, it is.

but! i said i was going to but the CG punch 1" dead right of center of grip and put the colored pin in the same location as my danger zone.
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 06:17:34 PM
gotta get goin, ill be back to reply later on, the combat zone tracer needs some work!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: BrunsNick on November 09, 2005, 07:08:52 PM
Then you should be fine, like I've said.

Toodles.
--------------------
Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: I got my Raven Quantum... (Bad News)
Post by: MegaMav on November 09, 2005, 09:33:49 PM
i appreciate the insight nick, ill be sure to pass on the info/suggestions when i get it drilled up in the future.

the collection is now complete!

Eric