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Rantings

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If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« on: June 17, 2005, 01:40:45 AM »
are you going to continue buying brunswick equipment?

I say No.

 We are loosing more and more companies to this so-called free trade agreements. If you really looked at it, only the US is free trade. China and other countries still demand tariffs as this country ought. Read the constitution.

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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2005, 09:54:32 AM »
Brunswick North American Free Trade Agreement
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 10:18:50 AM »
SWISH!!!

You drained that one with ease SweetFeet!!!

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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2005, 10:41:30 AM »
SweetFeet,

  Let's just blame the workers? The problem with many of these companies is the management not the average worker and his salary. Many of these companies didn't make a product fit for buying and much of that is a management decision on design. GM made its own bed. SweetFeet what do you do for a living?

   The Constitution is being violated so corporate America can make a windfall not to make it viable in the world market. What is going to happen is as America becomes a service nation and produces nothing it will fall in on itself.
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michelle

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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2005, 10:42:23 AM »
The comment about the vehicles is somewhat off the mark, though, since many of those "imports" are actually produced in the US, some even using union labor.  There are not many vehicles that actually get built "over there" and come to the States by boat (regardless of which coast they are unloaded on).
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2005, 10:46:46 AM »
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The comment about the vehicles is somewhat off the mark, though, since many of those "imports" are actually produced in the US, some even using union labor.  There are not many vehicles that actually get built "over there" and come to the States by boat (regardless of which coast they are unloaded on).


And the union portion of the argument begins...
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2005, 10:57:30 AM »
I can't believe this topic is being debated on. Oh no Brunswick moved to Mexico the world is coming to an end.
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2005, 11:05:08 AM »
I don't normally get into conversations like this, but Edward, I agree with you. This is something that happens on a daily basis and until our government puts out stricter guidelines on imported goods, it will continue to happen. Do we like it, no. But as it is said in sports and business " We don't make the rules, we just play by them ". I don't condone this practice, nor do like it at all, but it is just a fact of life.
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2005, 11:18:55 AM »
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The comment about the vehicles is somewhat off the mark, though, since many of those "imports" are actually produced in the US, some even using union labor.  There are not many vehicles that actually get built "over there" and come to the States by boat (regardless of which coast they are unloaded on).


And the union portion of the argument begins...


Actually, I was hoping to keep that argument from ensuing...my point was that import does not always mean non-union, which many believe would mean lower costs to the end consumer.
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2005, 11:37:45 AM »
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are you going to continue buying brunswick equipment?


If the product is superior to other products, then YES I will buy the equipment.  I don't really care where the product is made.

It does suck that they are taking jobs away from Americans, but they are in business to make money and provide shareholder wealth.  You can't fault the company for wanting to make as much profit as they can.

If you want to complain, then call your Congress representative and suggest a law to provide for an importation tax on US companies that manufacturer products outside of US soil, then bring them back here to sell.  The reason the foreign automakers manufacture cars here is so they don't have to pay the import tax on bringing the vehicles over.  The profits are still going overseas (yes they still pay US taxes, real estate taxes, etc), but the companies are still based in Japan (or wherever), and at the end of the day the US dollar is getting converted to some other currency.  You notice the quality of the foreign cars hasn't really decreased (in general) since they are assembled here in the good 'ole U S of A, but you don't hear anymore advertising from Ford, GM, or Dodge/Chrysler about "Made in America."  That may be more because GM is one of the biggest to blame - they closed a lot of plants in USA.  Maybe if they didn't make 8 different brands of the same car they could make some money, or maybe they could drop the real loss leader brand (Buick) instead of sacrificing a brand with some style (Olds), but that is another topic altogether.

Some people would say that building a new factory can help increase productivity.  I would think that there is probably a lot of the process that can be automated - that would decrease jobs either way.
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2005, 11:50:15 AM »
BMW's plant is in Greenville, SC They build X5's Z4's and limited runs of 5 Series.

The Lind's example hopefully will not be followed by Brunswick.  It was heartbreaking to receive those "Lind's Classics" in the blue box look insdie and see glue and loose stitches all over the place.
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2005, 11:53:11 AM »
I know this is wrong for me to post this about The Big B but do any of you own any storm balls because alot of tem are made in Korea.  And for the import cars Mazda is owned by ford.
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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2005, 11:57:09 AM »
If they are making the best products then yes i will, but if not I will not...

But for a while I will not buy Brunswick...

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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2005, 11:58:30 AM »
Um, well i've been asked to chime in on this topic again by Sweet.

 Partial bio for him
 He actaully works in the auto industry. starting as a car washer to now owning 1 ford dealership and 4 other used car lots, working also as a used car wholesaler.

ex- if the car's serial number starts with :
1-made In usa
2 made in canada
3 made in mexico

so far in recent years mazada is outselling ford enormously. a funny comment by him when talking about his ex gf, she as a sales agent (read as single person) for mazada is selling more cars than his own ford dealership.

also about the UAW most Of the automarkers that don't have them in place in there plants in north america don't need them, because there employees can stand behind there quality products without fear.

Unions increase prices and keep mediocore workers employed.  Simple As that.  I have personally done warehouse jobs working for minimum wage, and i put in twice as much effort as the person next to me.

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Re: If Brunswick moves to Mexico....
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2005, 12:15:53 PM »
actually mazada Is not owned by ford, they share platforms and technology yes, but they are not the same head.
the focus engine is a mazada engine because it's not worth it for ford to pay there own higher wage empolyees to build an engine they can get for less from mazada.

 As for storm having alot of balls made In korea only the some Of the plastic balls have been made In korea, mostly the clear ones, and some Of the later verisons of the plastics, the original  "spare storm " is actually made by brunswick, and it's obvious because the serial numbers are exactly as brunswick's

as for the union fight, i'm with michelle in i don't want to start a fight about them because it is a never ending fight.

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I know this is wrong for me to post this about The Big B but do any of you own any storm balls because alot of tem are made in Korea.  And for the import cars Mazda is owned by ford.
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as for the union battle, i don't personally like them because if I am in A situation where there are two workers and one does the better job deserves the raise not everyone. with unions you have to take the good with the bad, and there is not a choice for the company.
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