Post by: Urameshii6 on August 18, 2011, 01:45:42 AM
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Post by: milorafferty on August 18, 2011, 10:07:16 AM
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Tough to beat the Loaded Revolver for an every day pearl, and if you like the smooth reaction of a solid then the new Lethal Revolver has been very good to me.
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Post by: RSalas on August 21, 2011, 07:52:22 PM
Well, I *will* lean towards the Massive Damage, because of the way it handles volume.
I like my Loaded Revolvers, but they need defined friction in order to work best for me. However, I can use the Massive D on pretty much anything from fresh to transitioning heads.
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Post by: dougb on August 21, 2011, 08:49:10 PM
I second the Massive Damage. What a great ball... it gives a quick and reliable read of the lanes and can handle anything from light to a fresh THS eague shot (unless your house floods the lane). The carry is great.
Check out the reviews on this ball here, as the latest one pegs it as a benchmark.
Post by: Brandon Riley on August 21, 2011, 11:10:53 PM
I like the Karma Solid. It is steady, rolls great and doesn't give me any surprise ball motions. Its pretty damn versatile and allows me to manipulate the bowling ball as I see fit.
The idea of a solid as a benchmark is appealing to me as it makes the ball transition a little more evenly to give you that clean read of the lane.
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Post by: BrunsWolf on August 22, 2011, 02:03:59 PM
I'd say the best benchmark ball in the line is the Massive Damage. It will be able to handle more oil than the Karma Solid but I think the Karma Solid is just a little too weak to be a steady benchmark. Out of the box, the Massive Damage is a great ball for the benchmark spot. It is decently strong but its strong thoughout the midlane and backend. However, if it is going to be a dead "middle of the road" benchmark then just hit the Massive with a 4000 grit pad. Absolutely love mine at this surface. I'd highly suggest the Massive to you in this case. Like I said, if needed, you can always give it a quick scuff with a 4000 grit pad.
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Post by: UpstateProShopChris on August 23, 2011, 09:25:18 PM
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Post by: Inverted 1 on August 24, 2011, 07:52:53 AM
Benchmarks...you can't go wrong with the Rattler. Activator cover with the rocket core. Can handle the widest varity of conditions you'll run into in just about any house (other than the extremes)..
Really, pretty much an Inferno with an updated core
Post by: jerry0503222 on September 13, 2011, 07:05:38 PM
Tough to beat the Loaded Revolver for an every day pearl, and if you like the smooth reaction of a solid then the new Lethal Revolver has been very good to me.
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Post by: MK on September 13, 2011, 07:19:46 PM
You might find the following link interesting:
http://www.ballreviews.com/bowling/general/miscellaneous/whats_your_benchmar/5/16/278623/1/forumreplies.aspx
http://www.ballreviews.com/bowling/general/miscellaneous/whats_your_benchmar/5/16/278623/1/forumreplies.aspx
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Post by: Urameshii6 on September 14, 2011, 06:10:52 AM
Yeah, someone (might've been you) sent me this link when I posted this on another forum. This is gonna come in handy though, as I have to switch to my left hand because of possible ligament damage in my right wrist.
Post by: sport300 on September 14, 2011, 06:18:55 AM
between the loaded & the massive i vote massive damage. it's a tough call between the 2 but i think the massive is more benchmark material.
Post by: BackToBasics on September 14, 2011, 06:33:54 AM
I have to really disagree with a pearl being a benchmark ball. Remember, a benchmark ball isn't a ball that you can use almost everywhere (that seems to be how it's commonly understood), it's a ball used to read the lanes and determine the amount of volume and friction locations. That generally means a smoother rolling ball which normally are solid symmetricals. Back before you were given the pattern before bowling, you had to throw shots across the entire lane and determine the pattern and solid, smooth balls were perfect for that because they didn't overread. Pearls skate in oil and flip in friction. Assymetricals tend to do the same.
I believe the Karma Solid is a perfect benchmark and if you tend to bowl on higher volumes, the Lethal. Both have solid covers, relatively smooth and perfect for getting a read on the lanes. The Karma is first out of my bag everywhere I go.
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Post by: charlest on September 14, 2011, 06:48:53 PM
Anthony,
While I'd agree with you in basics, for about the 90% case, many advancements have been made along the years. Many companies currently make mostly pearls, with solids seeming to take a back seat for overall versatility, in many, but not all cases. Although I'd choose a solid most of the time, I think the Massive Damage, a pearl, would make a fine benchmark for many people. A lot depends on the person's release and delivery, of course.
Many pearls are quite even reacting these days, among them the Massive. Some very even reacting pearls that could also be suitable for use as a benchmark from other companies include the Columbia Burst, Visionary Ogre Pearl, Ebo Game Changer, 900Global Hook Blue/Blue Pearl.
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Post by: dougb on September 17, 2011, 11:43:37 AM
Post by: Brandon Riley on September 20, 2011, 12:25:19 AM
Both balls are great options. I personally like the Karma Solid.
I would tell you more about the ball but it would just sound like a FIGJAM. I like the way the ball rolls that much.
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Post by: TidalKnight on October 13, 2011, 09:51:42 PM
Is a benchmark ball just to see how the lanes are or is it a good overall ball? If I had to have ONE ball to start with should I go massive damage?
Post by: scotts33 on October 13, 2011, 10:01:33 PM
Just drilled this one this week a Reckless (close enough to Big B?) 55* 4.25" 35* x hole at P2 25/32" 3"s deep. As you can see moved PSA right of thumb for a close to "benchmark" drilling angle for me. I prefer 55* to 60* drilling angles for benchmark pieces for my stats. Stats. in profile.
Reckless is pearl Class 3 cover roll/arc ball for me and shows what's there and what's not. I've found the Reckless a great benchmark ball and the Misfit the perfect ball under it. I use both at OOB surface.
Scott
Post by: BrunsNick on October 14, 2011, 12:39:01 AM
Scott, have you spun that ball on a DeTerminator? On symmetrical balls without a mass bias, the psa usually ends up right in or near the thumbhole.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on October 14, 2011, 02:58:08 AM
That would be my suggestion, too. PK18 solid with a mid-range core - this is THE average ball for medium conditions which should allow a good reference for other balls and their reaction.
The DV8 Misfit also looks good, saw one in league in action on a rather tough and quickly changing oil pattern. I'd assume that it is a tad stronger than the Karma Solid, but reaction-wise it looks like a good benchmark piece, too.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 14, 2011, 06:06:46 AM
Nick,
First round mark on the Reckless just left of the thumb hole looking at the label is the PSA before the x hole was put into the gradient line at P2. The 2nd round mark just right of the thumb hole is where the PSA shifted to after the x hole was put into the ball.....makes a perfect 55* drilling angle for benchmark for me and my stats. I have all my equipment spun on a DeTerminator and list the dual angle layout from pin to PSA which would be the real drilling angle and not a straight line extending from pin thru CG.
This pic is my Misfit without an x hole which shows the difference in layouts. I have not put in an x hole yet to see how I liked the roll. I put in gradient line x holes til after I roll them. You can see the PSA near the thumb just left of it.
The Misfit is a great ball under the Reckless. 78* 5.50" 44*
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Post by: sport300 on October 14, 2011, 06:27:11 AM
2 choices i suggest. if the volume is a medium to slightly more, than i would go with the massive damage. if the volume is medium or less, karma solid. both those pieces are benchmark type pieces made for different volume conditions.
Post by: BrunsNick on October 14, 2011, 10:41:54 AM
Awesome...
Good looking bowling balls you have there buddy! :)
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Post by: The Stroke on October 14, 2011, 11:27:02 AM
Isn't there a DV8 forum?
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