Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 24, 2005, 11:55:36 PM
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Post by: JPRLane1 on May 25, 2005, 08:00:23 AM
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Post by: charlest on May 25, 2005, 08:16:19 AM
(I do think the Activator chemical forumla might be one of the most important technological break-throughs, since resin itself was discovered for bowling balls.)
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 25, 2005, 08:18:06 AM
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Post by: splendorlex on May 25, 2005, 08:47:35 AM
This will be my first Brunswick product (other than my plastic) and I hope it's as good as I've heard some of you say.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on May 25, 2005, 09:10:24 AM
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I have a Zone Classic on the way. Is that related to the Danger Zone some way? I got it because I was looking for something stronger than my Sling Blade and weaker than the Big Deal. My coach had recommended the Danger Zone, but I got drawn in by the look of the ZC.
Same core, different coverstock.
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Post by: v02maxlefty on May 25, 2005, 09:37:17 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on May 25, 2005, 09:37:24 AM
Some sort of less reactive coverstock sort of half reactive half urethane.
Looks great on tour, looks slow reacting on my home centers which all require big backend to strike.
Reactives it is in my area but smooth ones off the break.
Most guys are getting rid of their infernos and intense Infernos in my area except for the very high speed high rev set of players and the also the Absolute Inferno seems to have enough reaction to be productive.
I believe they are an absolute necessary tool on the pro tour non buffed type of big backend patterns. For the rest of us with buff and carrydown, eh so so.
Regards,
Luckylefty
Post by: dizzyfugu on May 25, 2005, 10:19:41 AM
But I do not think that the line will persist, maybe single balls. The OI and maybe now the AI will stay in bowlers' bags for while, but because they are versatile balls.
Other older balls from B around here are the Raging Red Fuze and the Eliminator, especially the latter one. But overall, I wouldn't consider the Fuze line (as well as thze Infernos) to be outstanding. They are just current technology, and the next best thing will come - sooner than expected.
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Post by: kid51178 on May 25, 2005, 10:30:43 AM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 25, 2005, 12:06:07 PM
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why did they discontinue the intense?
I don't know why, maybe a Big B rep or staff member will chime in.
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Post by: BrunsNick on May 25, 2005, 12:20:58 PM
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I personally don't think the Inferno line is that special.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 25, 2005, 12:34:01 PM
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Some sort of less reactive coverstock sort of half reactive half urethane. Looks great on tour, looks slow reacting on my home centers which all require big backend to strike.
Maybe you're forgetting that what may work in one center does not represent all centers. Everyone who has a ball from the Inferno line in my area scores very well with them.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 25, 2005, 04:04:07 PM
Many have tried and sold quickly! For whatever reason and I do believe the conditions and oil around here are WEIRD! They do not work well and are not used often! We do have one high rev high speed guy who has gone crazy with the Intense Inferno, multiple 800...many in a short time!
Another lefty friend of mine with high speed is doing ....ummm pretty well with the Intense, but when he needs a cleaner midlane and more backend he uses his messenger ti pearl!
Haven't seen an Original Inferno in a high level league or tourney around here for awhile. (While I've seen a ton of sanded Storm El Nino Wraths and WAXED Supercharges).
Have seen a bunch of Absolutes and they have looked pretty good!
These are the facts. Sorry....Again very sorry that your perception of reality differs from the facts of OUR area and our weird oil.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS in general our local condition reminds me of the tour condition of a couple of years ago.... very grabby midlanes however unlike the tour condition we MUST create a lot of back end. It IS weird.
Pearl particles are a bust also in general. In general storm balls are the top sort of like the tour of a couple of years ago.
PPS I have seen some success with the Ultimate around here highly WAXED!
and in Florida my original home area they abound and look good. More midlane oil and stronger backends.
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Post by: charlest on May 25, 2005, 04:04:21 PM
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why did they discontinue the intense?
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The most basic reason, probably: lack of sales.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on May 25, 2005, 10:00:12 PM
a side note---the original danger zone and the zone classic share nothing in common except that they are both reactive balls. the original danger zone used brunswicks powrkoil 18 solid reactive coverstock and had the now familiar light bulbish-shaped symmetrical core. the zone classic features brunswicks pearlized activator reactive coverstock( new from the ground up )and a asymmetrical shaped core---although this core was very similar to the one in the danger zone and was stretched out laterally to create a mass bias.
my first ball in the inferno line was the original inferno. i was very impressed with this ball and grew to like it more and more as time passed on. the activator reactive coverstock seemed to soak up less oil and was more durable. the raging inferno worked great for me when i needed the extra bite from a particle ball. the ultimate inferno is a great reactive ball for medium to heavy oil conditions and the coverstock is easily adaptable from coarse sanding to highly polished.
part of the popularity of the zone series was marketing----brunswick balls were on tv seemingly every week as brunswick had the most( and best ) staff members at the time( walter ray williams, jr., mike aulby, parker bohn III, etc. ). poor management at brunswick caused a huge downhill slide that now seems to be over. but they lost some customers and there are still many who haven't( or won't) try a brunswick ball.
i'm ready to bestow the title of the best reactive ball brunswick ever made to the original inferno. only time will tell if the entire inferno line can make that claim. they're off to a very good start though.
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Post by: Brandon Riley on May 26, 2005, 01:21:12 AM
Most bowlers have no speed and no turn. The Zone line helped the majority of bowlers get the ball to flip in a way that until then only crankers could obtain. They were truly revolutionary. Probably helps that the competition wasn't the same back then. Storm wasn't all that big, AMF was bankrupt, Lane #1 was a fringe company, and there weren't the many small companies (circle, lanemasters...) producing bowling balls as they are today.
Post by: BrunsBob on May 26, 2005, 10:52:55 PM
Anyway, I vote for the Inferno Line. Not only are they showing great success against several competitors with quality stuff, but it is THE most durable coverstock on the market. How many of you have seen a ball with Activator coverstock get those spiral cracks around the holes or split on the bridge. I have yet to see one and our extensive testing was not able to get one to crack, even after thousands of shots. I actually used my Original for about 8 months before I even cleaned and repolished it. It held up wonderfully and has probably 200 games on it now and is still top notch.
No doubt though, we'll keep trying to advance our technology even further. It amazes me, our R & D guys keep finding ways to move forward when it feels like it couldn't get any better.
RoB LAW
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Post by: Moose Nugget on May 27, 2005, 05:24:13 PM
Storm'n the Nation.........
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 27, 2005, 06:09:58 PM
Grabby in the midlane.
Then contrast how they looked in 2004 2005 on tour. Beautiful wait and then move
(More oil in midlanes or brunswick oil is more viscous than kegel).
It all makes sense.
Activator in their early discussions talked about was said to "Hook more in oil and react more smoothly to dry" An attempt at paraphrase.
They are what they are. Non particle balls designed to act like particles.
They do this job perfectly.
An awesome tool when one has midlane oil and wants a smoother backend.
The AI looks like it is closer to a reactive with Activator +.
I don't believe it is better or worse, it is exactly what one would expect when the descriptions first came out!
Pure reactives will dominate on a different condition and these new non particle particles will do real well on a condition like the 2004 2005 tour condition.
Sweet.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I don't bowl on the 2004 2005 tour condition.
PPS their performance on teh 2004 2005 tour was outstanding... Do you bowl on the tour?
Post by: Walking E on May 27, 2005, 06:41:17 PM
Of course, I realize that drilling can have a lot to do with it, but it's hard for me to ignore the much smoother roll and much better carry I got from the Zone compared with the other two.
Unfortunately, I can't compare the Danger Zone with the Original Inferno, as those seem to be thought of as the best of their respective lines.
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