Author Topic: InFURYating (Read 6208 times)

viruz · « **on:** June 14, 2007, 05:10:08 AM »

Just got a FURY drilled up a couple of days ago. I've been using mostly lane 1 equipment lately but was quite interested in the FURY after seing a few being thrown. I brought my Enriched Uranium to my driller and told him to drill it stronger than that. My EU is drilled with pin on the right of ring and the lane 1 logo at the 10o'clock position.

When he gave the ball to me i was surprised to see he drilled it with the pin in the middle and just above the the finger. When i looked at the sheet it showed that that kind of setup is meant more for a skid snap.

Went to throw the FURY and my EU the last couple of days and i feel my EU still has a bigger arc and better impact than the FURY. My EU is also out hooking my FURY which shouldn't be the case or that's not what i wanted the FURY for anyway.

Have i just wasted a good ball???
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viruz · « **Reply #1 on:** June 14, 2007, 01:11:48 PM »

BTW i pretty much throw 12/10 or 10/8 line. Med Speed and Revs.
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KDawg77 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 14, 2007, 01:14:24 PM »

Key to the Fury is surface prep. At what grit is you ball and is it polished?
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« **Reply #3 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:18:39 PM »

I wouldn't do anything except adjust the surface, then throw it, then adjust again until you find what you're looking for. I have two of them. One is shiny and the other quite dull... very different reactions, but both great.

I agree with K-Dawg77 that surface means everything on this ball.

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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** June 14, 2007, 06:17:33 PM »

Fury is intended to handle more oil than the EU. Could it be, is there the remotest chance that you're just not bowling on enough oil for the Fury???

Potential solutions:
- Get a new driller.
- reference pin position with respect to your PAP, not finger holes of ball manufacturer's logos. They mean nothing and are just confusing the issues.
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mainzer · « **Reply #5 on:** June 14, 2007, 11:26:17 PM »

You are probably not using the Fury on the proper amount of oil.
find a place to Bowl that puts more oil down then give it a shot.
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viruz · « **Reply #6 on:** June 15, 2007, 02:21:14 AM »

the surface of my fury is oob. The only thing i've done is cleaned the surface with the remove all. I'm thinking of putting a 500grit pad on it and see how it does.

I've tried on 3 different oiling levels already. In the heavier oil it doesn't come back. In mid oil the reaction is pretty nice but still being outhooked by the EU. In dry it grabs too early and rolls out.

Ok i'm going to change the surface to 500 and find more oil. Lets see how we go.
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Steven · « **Reply #7 on:** June 15, 2007, 03:13:29 PM »

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I've tried on 3 different oiling levels already. In the heavier oil it doesn't come back. In mid oil the reaction is pretty nice but still being outhooked by the EU. In dry it grabs too early and rolls out.

This pretty much describes my own experience with the Fury. When I posted my own Fury frustrations, I got similar responses to what you have -- not throwing on enough oil, wrong drill pattern, wrong surface prep, etc.

Well, I have enough experience to understand oil/coverstock matchups, and own enough equipment to understand drill patterns that work and don't (at least for me). The Fury just doesn't seem to conform to conventional wisdom.

What I would suggest is what a few others have stated; adjust the cover to see if that helps. So far I've experimented with 500, 1000, and 2000 grit Abralon surfaces without polish. Next step will be to add different polish combinations. I do like the reaction I'm getting with 1000 grit on the Cheetah pattern, but I've yet to find something that really works well on a plain old second shift THS. The search continues.

I'm concerned about any piece of equipment that requires constant cover modifications to find a reaction that works. Most of what I consider to be my better balls have a good reaction OOB on some variation of oil, even if I do decide to make modifications. But not the Fury. A disclaimer for this ball would be in order.

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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** June 15, 2007, 05:45:45 PM »

Steven,

We know you know what you're doing and talking about; so, while comparison usage as viruz did, idicates, 99% of the time, that he's not using the ball on enough oil, your getting the same problem, once you verify the amount of oil you're on, produces the next option: a bad ball. Since we don't know viruz (least I do not), my first guess was not enough oil.

So, bottom line, I wonder if this points to quality control problems with Fury runs on the production line or bad coverstock resin formulations or bad finishing procedures??
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zmansmustang · « **Reply #9 on:** June 15, 2007, 06:20:17 PM »

with alot of people adjusting the surface of the fury,howdo you think brunswick managed to make the oob work for them in testing. for brunswick to give it such high marks, the oob they came up with must have been the most usable. would you agree or am I just blabbering? also, are people buying this ball b/c its the newest thing even though it doesn't fit in their arsenal and they have to manipulate the coverstock so much they could have bought something else that matched the same ball that was manipulated. for example you buy a fury and sand and polish the coverstock to where its basically a total inferno. im just using the total as an example so please dont get all technical.
by the way I know it goes on with all the other balls out there so im not picking on brunswick or the fury.
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Atochabsh · « **Reply #10 on:** June 15, 2007, 07:25:09 PM »

I have not thrown the Fury, but we've sold quite a few of them. So far everyone has been very happy with the ball and its lane reaction, in box condition.

I think most of the problems we're hearing are from not knowing what is heavy oil and what is medium or light. Its all relative to your experience and what you've bowled on in the past.

Houses in our area are typically oiling a minimum of 38 to 40 feet, with no less then 55 units of oil in the middle, top hat pattern. Bowling This Month considers 55 units of oil as heavy oil conditions. That's the minimum we see, with one house putting out 80+ in the middle. So according to Bowling This Month every house in our association is a heavy oil house. And therefore you'd have to go by their ball reviews associated with heavy oil reaction. But use a ball like the Fury on anything shy of 55 units of oil and you will probably see some roll out (unless you throw bullets). Just because you are on a fresh shot or PBA shot doesn't mean you necessarily have heavy oil.

You also cannot expect the ball path of a strong pearl ball to be like the ball path of a strong dull ball. Pearls are going to snap, that's what they are made for. The dull balls are made to power through muck with a continuous arc. Two totally different looks.

Keep experiementing with it. But never expect it to act like your EU.

Erin

charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** June 15, 2007, 09:49:36 PM »

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I have not thrown the Fury, but we've sold quite a few of them. So far everyone has been very happy with the ball and its lane reaction, in box condition.

I think most of the problems we're hearing are from not knowing what is heavy oil and what is medium or light. Its all relative to your experience and what you've bowled on in the past.

As I indicated above, I might say that about viruz ONLY because I don;t know him. I know Steven and he knows what is what. So I feel we can't say that about his Fury.

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Houses in our area are typically oiling a minimum of 38 to 40 feet, with no less then 55 units of oil in the middle, top hat pattern. Bowling This Month considers 55 units of oil as heavy oil conditions. That's the minimum we see, with one house putting out 80+ in the middle. So according to Bowling This Month every house in our association is a heavy oil house. And therefore you'd have to go by their ball reviews associated with heavy oil reaction. But use a ball like the Fury on anything shy of 55 units of oil and you will probably see some roll out (unless you throw bullets). Just because you are on a fresh shot or PBA shot doesn't mean you necessarily have heavy oil.

Agreed.

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You also cannot expect the ball path of a strong pearl ball to be like the ball path of a strong dull ball. Pearls are going to snap, that's what they are made for. The dull balls are made to power through muck with a continuous arc. Two totally different looks.

Erin

But Activator coverstocks are different. With a Rough Buff finish, which is NOT rough, their pearls easily react early like solid resins and like some solid particles. This is a strong coverstock. Yet, they are technically pearls.
The Fury is a solid, and technically an "Octane" type of coverstock; I'm not sure if it's related in any way to the Activator coverstocks.
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viruz · « **Reply #12 on:** June 15, 2007, 11:08:39 PM »

Just a little about myself...i pretty much play a 12/10 or 10/8 line. If i want to i can play a 15/10 just by adjusting my wrist. My average is about 200 with a high game of 268 so far. I pretty much keep my average by making lots of spares. Just trying to increase my strike rate so i can get a better average. Currently averaging about 4 or 5 strikes per game.

i bought the FURY to handle my heavier oils. The alley which i bowl has very clean backends so hence the nice snap from my EU. the FURY doesn't really snap as you guys mentioned but more a continuous arc. Just wondering if it would be possible to get the ball to react like the EU by adjusting the surface?

I know its a different coverstock and meant to react differently so if i can't get it to react like my EU at least there is another line i can play if the need arises (cause of the big arc)

Actually was playing with ball speed on my fury yesterday on freshly oiled lanes and if i slow down the ball speed a bit I do get a very nice arcing reaction. I guess some of u guys are right about the needing heavy oils to see its reaction. I just don't like adjusting my ball speed too much. Anyway i'll keep working on it. Thanks for all the suggestions guys and keep them coming. Could always use more ideas.
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BrunsBob · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2007, 12:02:09 AM »

viruz, try it at 4000 Abralon. Then, if needed, try rough buff polish over that finish.

It's all about using energy in the right spot on the lane. Based on every bowlers ball speed, rev rate, and lane condition, the surface on ANY ball has to be matched up for the most positive results. And, as crownedprince said, the pin placement should be based off of your PAP, not just the generic recomendations. This is where a qualified driller becomes very important.

RoB LaW

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Steven · « **Reply #14 on:** June 16, 2007, 10:23:36 PM »

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We know you know what you're doing and talking about; so, while comparison usage as viruz did, idicates, 99% of the time, that he's not using the ball on enough oil, your getting the same problem, once you verify the amount of oil you're on, produces the next option: a bad ball.

charlest: First, thanks for the kind words. We've been conversing a long time, and the feelings are mutual. When evaluating the Fury for heavier oil compatibility, I always throw it along side my Lane#1 SCB. If a condition has enough oil for the SCB, it had better be enough for the Fury.

Anyway, at least in my case I don't consider the Fury a bad ball. Even though I've struggled with it, I've felt that I just haven't had the cover right. After playing with the cover again this morning, I think I might have found something that works.

I took the surface back to 1000 grit w/Abralon, and then hit the cover by hand with a single application of Renew-It. Not for cleaning, but to get a slight shine without going overboard. After the hand application, I hit it with a clean towl on the spinner, and it gave me effect I wanted try out first without going to a more extreme polish exercise.

I went up to the alley where they had the fresh grooved THS laid out, and using the Fury shot 268-268-259. Regardless of the scores, the ball reacted really well. Overall, there was a good read through the dry and the oil. I'm looking forward to using the ball on my PBA and sport shot leagues over the next few nights to see how it reacts on more challenging patterns.

My feeling at this point is that the cover out of the box is too aggressive for most house conditions. Given this, I think most THS bowlers looking for their patented skid/snap reaction will be sorely disappointed. That's why the handful of bowlers I know who have bought Furys have given up on the piece.

However, if you have your own spinner and can do your own work, I think you'll eventually find a combination of grit and polish for the Fury that will work for you. The problem is that most typical house bowlers do not change covers as a hobby, so they'll give up on the ball and move to something else. The Activator cover is one of the most versatile out of the box surfaces ever produced, but Brunswick didn't seem to carry this over to the High Octane.

I'm not here to bash the Fury, but to give an honest evaluation from the perspective of a 230 house hack. I'll report back after I give the new cover prep some more games.
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