Author Topic: Incredible... (Read 3842 times)

GendouIkari · « **on:** June 27, 2004, 07:22:46 AM »

I just bought a new Inferno and I was very bored reading the specs, then, with my teammate we began to search a ball that matches the RG and RG diff of the Inferno, and I found out something very strange... I used to have a Complete Chaos! and it has almost the same RG and RG diff values, don't remember de RG but the RG diff. on one is 0.049 and on the other 0.050... The RG value is that close too... So I thought I was buying a new ball and I came up buying my complete chaos! with an activator coverstock

Thats soooooo strange....
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2004, 11:20:20 PM »

RG and Diff #'s are a starting point for looking at a ball. The Complete Chaos was a totally different ball than the Inferno is.

The RG and DIFF #'s could be identical, but the core shapes are not. The coverstocks are different....particle vs reactive.

SO basically, the only thing those 2 have in common are that the numbers are close.
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GendouIkari · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2004, 11:35:44 PM »

Hmmm I thought that no matter the core shape if the RG and RG diff. where the same, the trayectory of the ball caused by the core would be the same (On symmetric cores, and drilled the same)... Could you explain that better to me please...
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2004, 11:52:07 PM »

RG and Diff have their meaning, and they are important. HOWEVER the most important factor in the reaction of a ball is going to be the coverstock.

What I mean in that is that the Inferno is reactive, the Complete Chaos is particle...the core numbers may allow for the same "trajectory", but the particle is going to roll far sooner, and have much less reaction on the backend of the lanes.
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GendouIkari · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2004, 12:14:39 AM »

Ok, then we agree... Thanks a lot... If you read the post I specified the fact about the coverstock... I know that a reactive coverstock is way more diferent than a particle... But well... lets wait to the ball to arrive and I'll tell how diferent... The ball is still near me because I sold it to a teammate, so I can really compare because he plugged it and drilled it the same that I had before... And I am going to drill the inferno the same way (Profile for details)

THANKS!!!
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2004, 12:25:14 AM »

I really did not agree with your initial post. Cores can have the same numbers, but core shapes can be different. Core shape is very important.

Bottom Line:>>Complete Chaos and Inferno are 2 totally different pieces of equipment.
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GendouIkari · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2004, 12:27:57 AM »

Well, experience over numbers... I'll believe in you...

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FBM357 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2004, 05:36:33 PM »

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In all honesty I really don't know whether core shape has an impact on two balls with the same rg and diff numbers. What I don know is coverstock by everyones estimates is 60 to 80% of ball reaction. The activator coverstock causes the inferno to be a totally different ball than a complete chaos.

I would believe the coverstock is on the lesser side of your percentage scale (i.e. 60-80% -> 65%). Reason for this, the laws of physics (i.e. core/weight block, turn and revs) play a major role. Case in point, the imbalance in weight according to drilling (i.e. side, finger, etc.). Balls reaction can be adjusted by altering the coverstock, however a major component is in the drilling, hence different drilling patterns. Sorta like tires. Racing tire is soft compound, yet add water to the track and the adhesion is nullified. Use a firmer compound and it take a little longer to warm to achieve adequate adhesion. However, add grooves to both and you improve control but sacrifice speed to some degree.

I wish they would bring back urethane balls. It was then you had to "make a shot" rather than "hit an area".

Just my 2 cents. Agree to disagree, I can respect it.

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Enzo · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2004, 08:04:06 PM »

I believe if you got some hand, then the core have more effect on the ball path but still the coverstock is more important.

FBM357 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2004, 09:32:57 PM »

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I believe if you got some hand, then the core have more effect on the ball path but still the coverstock is more important.

Hence the coverstock being the greater percentage in the equation. Heck, if coverstocks were made to last longer, ball manufacturers would be out of business.... LOL
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Lane Bed · « **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2004, 01:00:39 AM »

If coverstocks were the greater percentage then drill up a Track Crunch & an Animal Untamed the same. Can you guess who wins?

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FBM357 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 29, 2004, 12:07:55 PM »

True, the coverstock is what's in contact with the lanes, however it doesn't retain the "stored energey" of the ball. More of a means of energy transfer when friction begins to occur. The greater the retention of energy, the more explosive the ball can be. Of course, oily lanes is usually the nemesis, but that too can be adjusted.

This is a great forum!!! I've been away from bowling for a "minute" (knee injury) and have recently returned. Before my accident, I took a strong interest in drilling my own balls hence learning and (still) understanding the impact of different "layouts". Ihave to admit, bowling like the auto industry has definitely become "hi-tech". What's really interesting is how they've managed to maintain simplicity (drill patterns for a 2 piece ball) yet yield better results.

Not important to "make" the lanes give you a shot, but how well you master the shot provided by the lanes"
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Lane Bed · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2004, 11:51:55 PM »

If you took the cores out of the balls the coverstock probably would not even matter. Since the core is what causes the ball to flare, that in itself reduces the number of bowlers who could hook the ball to about 10% or less. Considering the fact that the ball would not be flaring anymore and would be rolling over the same track then the coverstock would become of little issue. And how would I know ... because I am .. the Lane Bed.

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Strider · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2004, 03:02:54 PM »

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If you took the cores out of the balls the coverstock probably would not even matter.

I think that's taking it too far. Put down a medium-heavy shot gutter to gutter. You throw a plastic ball with a pancake core. I'll take a medium load particle ball with the same pancake core. Drill them right over the label with no positive or negative weights. A pancake is as close to no core as you'll get. Very little flare. I'll still be able to hook the ball and score. A good release and some friction will win. People did it for years before 2 piece cores with flare were introduced.
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Lane Bed · « **Reply #14 on:** July 01, 2004, 01:15:47 AM »

True Strider, but I am not referring to guys who "can" hook the ball but the other 90% who can't. I'm not saying that what goes on today is right and flat gutter to gutter is not the answer either. I ran one of the original sport bowling test leagues and their limited patterns wear on you over the course of a year. The PBA shots are interesting and The Foundation is working on some new stuff. They are closer to what real bowling should be like with the use of todays equipment.

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