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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: jonah300 on February 14, 2005, 02:56:12 AM
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i have to drill an arsenal with 3 balls
one to go long and then snap
one to maximun hook
one to go straight
changing the layout and the surface..would this be possible with 3 absolute or do u have another alternatives???
is the absolute the best bowling ball in the market right now???
i am wondering this because is very strange that all the pros that are free agents that could drill whatever they want they re drilling this ball and with a lot of succes
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in my opinion, the ball is good but seeing different prfessional bowlers throw it on TV really doesn't mean anything for league bowlers. I truly believe Norm Duke or Amleto could drill up any ball from any company and with the right lane conditions, bowl very well.. The Absolute just seems to match up very well with alot of different styles..
I do beleive the Absolute will be a ball alot of people buy, but I hope its not because of all of its success on TV.. The ball is not as important as the skills of the person throwing it..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that da_n 7 pin (and I am right handed!!)
jkiser01
Edited on 2/14/2005 11:57 AM
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Sadly that is why most ppl will buy it... but in most cases that is what sells balls in centers and local areas. Word of mouth, so and so is throwing an absolute and his average is up 20 pins. Not taking into account that he may have changed other things in his timing/release, and is using a different layout all together.
But thats how bowling works.
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AIM = y2moe99
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It seems that any ball that Big B comes out with at this point is very competitive. Even their "mid-priced" line with the Impulse Zone and the Classic Zone have really caught fire. Activator is the coverstock of the "now". The Inferno lineup has been wildly successful. Even the Blazing Inferno, which is probably Big B's least successful Inferno offering, is a very qualified pill.
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Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Think Pink.
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i dont wanna sound rude...i know i am not amnleto and i am not norm duke but i believe i am a fine international bowling player (225 ave in leagues on miami...just 2 months,but had a lot of records on fiq sport conditions)
i just figure that they (norm,amleto,devaney)didnt reach their talent right now,they had the same talent when they were bowling with amf and track and could not win
thats why i thought this ball could really be an introduction on my arsenal...not that i wanna bowl like amleto because i have the same ball...i just wanna to maximize my game.
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If you are referring to the PBA winners and their use of the Absolute recently, please erase any consideration of that from your mind. Take into consideration the quality of these bowlers: Norm Duke and Amleto Monacelli and realize that with a plastic White Dot they will beat up fiercely any house bowler coming in with a 235-250 league average who has the use of a Track GP2 or a Absolute Inferno, ON ANY OIL PATTERN of the house bowler's choosing. I'd bet hard earned cash on that.
That said, some balls are very good for certain bowlers on certain oil patterns.
I wonder how much of this current situation has to do with the PBA using Brunswick oils?
(No, I don't know; I really just wonder.)
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That is an intresting thing to ponder charlest, i find it that alot of the guys (Higher average bowlers) in the house i bowl at all use Big B equipment, and it happens to be a Brunswick house.
You could say, go figure, or maybe there is something to it. Who knows, food for thought i guess.
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AIM = y2moe99
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please guys dont lokk focus here...i just wanna know if the absolute is the best ball in the market right now? if the answer is no...then wich one do u think it is???
and if the answer is yes...do u think that i could use it with different layouts and surfaces the way that i wanted to??
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please guys dont lokk focus here...i just wanna know if the absolute is the best ball in the market right now? if the answer is no...then wich one do u think it is???
and if the answer is yes...do u think that i could use it with different layouts and surfaces the way that i wantd to??
There is no Best Ball.
Being brunswick, being on the show 2 weeks in a row, it could be the most sought after ball, the most popular ball.
But what does that have to do with you and your needs? FInd out what type of ball you need (NOT want), then find out which makers produces that type of ball, then seek out reviews, both here and elsewhere, seek out local people usingthat type of ball and see what success they are enjoying. One buys a ball reaction for an oil pattern for your release; one does not buy a ball. YOur three categories are not appropriate: hook, snap and straight. HONESTLY.
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what u mean they re not aprropoiate
i could not make it any simplier
one to play a straight shot
one to play a hook shot on heavy oil
and another one to a conventional house shot...go long and the hook
my questiuon was...is the absolute a versatile ball to make these 3 kind of shots with diferents layouts and surface...yes or no
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The Absolute Inferno is definitely the best ball on the market right now - IF all you consider is what you see on tv.
As far as the rest of the reputation of the ball, I've got a wait and see attitude. the people I've seen so far throwing the absolute have games that far surpass mine.
I'm going to wait to see how the people who throw the ball more like us mere mortals like the ball, and what they're able to do with it, before I order one.
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-- The way we see the problem is the problem.
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Jonah to answer most of your questions simply. ABSOLUTELY
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I think the ball has shown to be good for a lot of different styles of bowling as well as a lot of different conditions. It will have to have a few months before you can start comparing it to the Original Inferno as far as "Best" ball or "Ball of the Year."
Edited on 2/14/2005 2:54 PM
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BUT do u think is versatible that i can use it to play a different variety of shots?
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The absolute is very versatile that i think youll be able to cover just about any type of house shot put out. the only exception depending on bowling styles is how close you can go towards the extreme of dry and floods. but i think that is it the most versatile thing out. and maybe for the year eventhough its only the beginning.
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You'd be better off going with 3 balls designed to fit each spot, rather than force one ball into each.
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- Andy
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One could easily make a 3 ball arsenal with the Absolute, and I will disagree with ta_152 when it comes to how much oil this ball can handle. With an earlier rolling layout and x-hole, this ball bites and bites hard. "Rough buff" cuts through oil and carrydown, and ruled the week at the Mini.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
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brunsrich so u tell me that the absolute can handle pretyy well the heavy oil and the skid snap shot...and what if i drill one 6 3/4 off pap to make it going straight and just recover in the backend for the rg differential (0.050)wouldnt it fix the short oil although???
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I would agree that the Absolute Inferno has done a good job, but do not overlook look AMF's Maximum Velocity. It also made three straight telecasts after it's release with two titles to its credit. Both seem to be very good pieces of equipment.
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The Absolute is awesome. Had I not recently bought an Impulse Zone which I am happy with, I would buy the Absolute in a minute, but having the Impulse Zone I don't need both balls so I will stay with what I have.
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Frankly, I couldn't care much less about how a particular ball rolls on TV, or at the Mini. I don't compete at that level, or those types of lane conditions, and I never will. All I care about is how the ball will roll on house conditions and on the less-than-perfect surfaces that I see in my local tournaments.
I've watched a number of bowlers of varying styles throw the Absolute out here, and spoken with them about the experiences they've had with the Absolute as well as how it compares with their other equipment. Almost to a man, they believe that, while the Absolute does fill a niche, the Impulse Zone is a better all-around ball because of its ability to handle a wider variety of lane conditions.
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Trumpet's Rusty Rat, JH, WC, Can WC...1/3/1992-2/14/2005
Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
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so the impulse is harder than the absolute???...it could handle heavy oil better than the absolute???
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You must have spoken to fluffers, or your local conditions must be very slick. From what I've seen (and used), the Impulse rolls earlier, revs harder, and hooks MUCH more overall than the Absolute.
No and no. To be specific, I know three people who have thrown both the AI and the IZ. I may have mentioned this in another post, but here goes again. One is a classic tweener, one a power-tweener with above-average speed, and one a slow-hook stroker. For them, it wasn't so much that the Impulse was earlier as that the Absolute was pushier in the midlane, and that the Absolute was far more abrupt off of the break than the Impulse. Because of this, it was harder for them to read the transitions when using the Absolute.
That's not to say that, with different drillings and/or surface preps, these bowlers couldn't use the Absolute to greater effectiveness. However, I have to call 'em the way I see 'em. Now that the shops have the Absolute, I'm sure I'll have ample opportunity to watch both balls in action even more.
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Trumpet's Rusty Rat, JH, WC, Can WC...1/3/1992-2/14/2005
Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
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The following is simply a theory of someone who believes in studying the sport.
No offense is intended to anyone, and once again this is only the opinion of some 17 yr old kid. NOT a coach or otherwise qualified individual.
Everyone will have a different opinion on any piece of equipment(not just bowling balls)that they use based on two major factors:
1)How well or poorly it has worked for themselves.
2)How well or poorly they have seen it work for others.
This is supplemented by many minor factors that also help to form an opinion:
1a)How the equipment matches their style of play.
1b)How the conditions are set up relative to their style.
1c)Previous experiences with similar equipment.
2a)How another player's style matches their own.
2b)Other player(s)opinions on the same/similar equipment.
As well as probably a multitude reasons that I cannot define but somehow belive exist.
In my opinion a piece of equipment such as a bowling
ball would have to be a statistical masterpiece thatnever made an error in performance in it's time on the market in order to be considered the best piece of equipment in it's field.
ANYWAY... I love the AI based upon all of the above listed factors, however I have a low average (169) and only bowl in one league a week so I could be misleading anyone who reads this.
Hope this helps someone except me.
Sincerely,
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Ben W.
Recent addition to the Nation.
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guys i just goy my absolute...i can say that this ball with clean backend its a freaking monster ..it hits like a mad truck..but when there is carrydown forget it ..u must put it in ur bag
those are the firsts considerations about it