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legend4life95

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Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« on: December 12, 2006, 12:13:27 PM »
I drilled my Total tonight and threw it a few games before drilling the weight hole. It had 1.5 oz. of positive side weight and 1/4 oz. thumb prior to x-hole.

 It was ok but very long and mild off the dry. I went back in and let the driller put a x-hole to bring the side back to 1/2 oz. positive. Took it back out and it killed it. It now goes longer than my Smokin White Pin with even less backend! I couldn't believe it. I then scuffed it with a green pad by hand and it started checking up a tad bit earlier but still had nothing on the backend.

It is drilled with the pin 4-1/4" from my PAP with it below the bridge. CG is kicked right about 1-1/2". I came home and changed the surface on the spinner. I took it down to 360 abralon and then hit it with a nice coat of Brunswick Factory Finish Polish. I will try it again tomorrow at league and see if that will give it a little more reaction.

If not, I am planning to plug the x-hole and redrill it in a different location. Any suggestions where?

I will post a picture soon.



Edit: Pics added I circled the cg in the pics to be seen easier and also marked my PAP.

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4238816

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4238815

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4238814


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legend4life95

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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 08:31:34 PM »
Pics added!
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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2006, 08:49:03 PM »
His reason for putting the x-hole above my pap was b/c I only had 1/4 oz thumb weight and he said if he put it below the pap it would cause it to go even longer by taking away more thumb weight.

And if you had read my post you would have seen that I changed the surface  and added polish when i got home. Thats not OOB.

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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2006, 08:55:03 PM »
I have a cherry bomb drilled the same....we didnt drill a weight hole to see what reaction we were working with...ended up going down. The heavy side weight killed the reaction before having the weight hole; made a terrible read on the lanes. After weight hole, it was a beauty. Made it even better with a rough buff finish and hitting the back flares with a pad. Still, for a ball that gets 7 inches of flare (almost hitting the weight hole), the ball doesnt impress me. My pap is in the same location.
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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2006, 09:07:24 PM »
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guys, wake up here.  There is no reason WHAT SO EVER that this ball shouldn't kick huge a** on the backends unless there is a TON of carrydown.  Try it on a fresh shot, if it's still dead I'd call bunswick.  The wieght hole should not have made much of an impact in overall hook, just overall shape of the hook.
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Thats the thing. I was playing on a fresh THS with dry outside. Everything else I threw hooked more. My Smokin White Pin out hooked it by at least 5 boards!

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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2006, 09:09:30 PM »
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The wieght hole should not have made much of an impact in overall hook, just overall shape of the hook.


It did make a big difference though. It was not super strong before the x-hole, but the x-hole killed it.

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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2006, 09:17:01 PM »
If the star is your PAP, you should of either put the
x-hole 2 inches down to get more mid lane or 2 inches past PAP
drawing a line from the pin through your pap which will give it more
flare on the backend. I would suggest to plug the weight hole and do one of those two. Just my opinion.
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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2006, 09:22:45 PM »
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If the star is your PAP, you should of either put the
x-hole 2 inches down to get more mid lane or 2 inches past PAP
drawing a line from the pin through your pap which will give it more
flare on the backend. I would suggest to plug the weight hole and do one of those two. Just my opinion.



Thats what I wanted to do, but he was scared I would flare over the finger holes then. I usually track about 3" left of my thumb and fingers. But for some reason when i drill the pin under bridge or below, my track goes inverted with  the first line about 3" left of thumb, but I started tracking about a half inch left of my middle finger with the bowtie just beside and above it. He said kicking the x-hole too far past my pap might cause me to hit the fingers.

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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2006, 09:39:49 PM »
Placing the Cg below the center line on low Rg balls, kills them. Unless you have a lot of oil in the heads. Low RG balls are design to rev, early if you place the Cg low, then you ball will become stable at mid lane, again, unless you have a bunch of oil in the heads.
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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2006, 09:47:29 PM »
I would have put the X-hole 2 1/4 down the VAL. Going up will cause the ball to go longer and flare LESS.
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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2006, 10:14:08 PM »
legend4life,

You already anaswered your own question.
If "My Smokin White Pin out hooked it by at least 5 boards!" is true, then you sure as heck didn't have enough oil for a Total Inf!!!

C'mon. Get with the program.

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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 10:17:52 PM »
Exactly what Nick said.

The statement about the "cg down kills the reaction on low rg balls" is incorrect. The statement about the "ball going longer by taking out the thumb weight" is incorrect. Both are irrelevant. What matters is pin distance from PAP and extra hole placement. The position of your extra hole is not in a beneficial spot. Also, if it's going that straight why would you polish it more? Did you feel it was burning up early? Also, you said you gave it a nice coat of Brunswick Factory Finish Polish. Which one, High Gloss (blue bottle) or Rough Buff (red bottle)?

I would recommend plugging the extra hole and moving it to where Nick mentioned. I would also recommend hitting it with a 500 abralon and leaving it at that to start with, then go to 1000 or higher if needed. Please let us know what you try and how things progress.

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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2006, 01:10:38 AM »
I'm also beginning to think that maybe his PAP is not correct. Since he is thumbless, there is a chance he could be inverted, making that x-hole further up his VAL, causing a weaker reaction.

Maybe the first ever variable PAP?!
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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2006, 06:42:35 AM »
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You already answered your own question.
If "My Smokin White Pin out hooked it by at least 5 boards!" is true, then you sure as heck didn't have enough oil for a Total Inf!!!

C'mon. Get with the program.

 



It was only that dry outside. It was fairly wet everywhere else. I was trying to play through the oil with the total and even when I hit the dry it was mild.
The SIWP I was playing up the boards in the dry.




 
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The position of your extra hole is not in a beneficial spot. Also, if it's going that straight why would you polish it more? Did you feel it was burning up early? Also, you said you gave it a nice coat of Brunswick Factory Finish Polish. Which one, High Gloss (blue bottle) or Rough Buff (red bottle)?
 




I polished it after I got home last night to try tonight and see if it was burning up. I am pretty sure it was not, but figured I would try it first.

I sanded it with 360 abralon and then a coat of BFF High Polish(blue bottle)since it is gritless and would keep the 360 underneath.



 
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would recommend plugging the extra hole and moving it to where Nick mentioned. I would also recommend hitting it with a 500 abralon and leaving it at that to start with, then go to 1000 or higher if needed. Please let us know what you try and how things progress.



If it don't react better tonight, I plan to do that. My question is would I be better off to go down 2-1/4 on the val or better if I went 2-1/4 past pap to increase the flare?

As I stated before, I threw it before we added the x-hole and it was flaring nice with about 5" of rings. After adding the x-hole, I now get almost no flare. Maybe 2 rings and they are right on each other.

 
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I hate to correct BrunsNick but if you place the extra hole 2 1/4" down the VAL, it will open up the flares more and the ball will want to start up earlier.
To cut down the flare you want to go 2 1/4" inside the PAP towards the pin. Also, not knowing your rev rate but 4 1/4" pin to PAP might be too strong. Too close to leverage. This could another factor.




I as pretty sure it is not trying to over flare. And 4-1/4 pin to pap was not too strong for this lane condition. I drilled my Scorchin 3-1/4" (even closer to leverage)pin to pap last night as well and it was a beast covering most the lane without burn out.


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I'm also beginning to think that maybe his PAP is not correct. Since he is thumbless, there is a chance he could be inverted, making that x-hole further up his VAL, causing a weaker reaction.




I based my pap off of what it is on most all my equipment. However, after drilling this one it seems having the pin down causes my track to invert. With this ball I was tracking 3" left of thumb but only 1/2" left of middle finger. The bowtie was just barely left and above the middle finger as well. My bowtie is usually much higher above the fingers and my track on other equipment is always 3" to 4" left of fingers and thumb and is not inverted.


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Re: Is the Total Inferno suppose to be this weak?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2006, 09:30:37 AM »
Ok here is what I have with mine the Pin is above the fingers between them.  CG is kicked right about 1".  No weight hole needed.  This is a monster.  It is the strongest backend ball in my bags.  I have been playing a THS from 20 at the arrows to roughly the 10 board ( give or take based on amount of beer ).  I have 7 sets on the ball as of now and I have only one below 700.  Low 656 high 763.  Shot 756 last night with the thing including the infamous pocket 4 10 split.  Yes a blow out 4 10 just like on TV the other week OH BOY!!!
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