Post by: Gazoo on February 06, 2009, 01:38:07 PM
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"I don''t want to be remembered, I want to be forgotten"
Post by: sluggo35 on February 07, 2009, 12:32:14 AM
Post by: sdbowler on February 07, 2009, 07:50:07 AM
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Kyle
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 07, 2009, 09:18:35 AM
Post by: ucumin2 on February 07, 2009, 11:44:23 PM
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the people who are upset that brunswick moved production facilities need to get a realistic grip. it's over and done....there is no going back....and what's more these people need to take a long hard look at themselves. are they aware that the majority of the plastic balls from the ebonite group( ebonite/hammer/track/columbia) are made in china ? are they aware that the plastic balls from storm are made in china ? are they willing to admit that almost all bowling bags and shoes are made overseas ? this trend doesn't just pertain to the bowling world. every time i bowl league i see bowlers glued to their cellphones......cellphones that are not made in this country. their big screen tv's and blue-ray players weren't made here either. these same people who condemn brunswick are nothing but hypocrites.
Post by: Verbs on February 08, 2009, 06:03:25 AM
I will agree to some degree, and I was basically a casuality of the move to Mexico, it was necessary to keep Brunswick in the bowling ball business.
Also, what Greg was saying about everything else that we buy that isn't American is sad but true.
Here is something that I would say when I would get the "I only buy from American companies."
What is the highest percentage American made car today...................the Honda Accord. The Accord is well over 90% American made & assembled. Conversly, the Ford Taurus is approx. 60% American made & Assembled.
So then some people will come back and say, "Well, I only support American based companies." Brunswicks headquarters is still in Lake Forest, IL. And the Bowling Headquarters is still in Muskegon, MI.
That would usually shut most people up.
While I certainly wasn't in favor of the move to Mexico, I understand why the move was made.
Greg in also correct about plastic balls. The only American made plastic ball is the Eboniite Maxim..........for now. And, Storm, Ebonite & Track were the FIRST companies to have balls made outside the U.S.A. Remember the Optx/Skull balls from Ebonite?!?! The Sports balls from Storm. The Boxing Glove from Track. All of these balls were made in Asia. How many of you had one or more of these?
As I stated above, with all the issues that was associated with the start up of the new plant, I was downsized out of Brunswick in 2007. But, I still have many good friends left at Brunswick and I want them to succeed.
In addition, if Brunswick were to get out of the bowling ball business, how many more Americans would lose their job?
So while the move to Mexico cost over 100 people their jobs, if Brunswick didn't move, add at least another 100 lost jobs to that total.
Something to think about..............
Okay, off my soapbox for now.
Verbs
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Larry Verble
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 08, 2009, 07:37:13 AM
Post by: on February 08, 2009, 10:43:21 AM
Nice points, and ones to be remembered...
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
www.brunswickbowling.com
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 08, 2009, 02:05:10 PM
Post by: 102101 on February 08, 2009, 02:50:43 PM
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102101? Hmmmm
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Post by: Verbs on February 08, 2009, 06:03:45 PM
I respect your opinion, but let me reinterate if Brunswick didn't move bowling ball production to Mexico, then it was most likely that Brunswick would have gotten out of the bowling ball business.
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Larry Verble
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 08, 2009, 07:23:27 PM
Post by: sluggo35 on February 08, 2009, 10:33:28 PM
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 09, 2009, 04:51:08 AM
Post by: 102101 on February 09, 2009, 06:13:38 AM
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102101, i too see what you're saying but on the other hand am i required to buy an inferior watch just because it's made in this country ? i'm sorry, that is illogical. i will continue to buy the very best as my salary will allow.
Greg please re-read my posting "I for one will continue to purchase American made products when and where possible considering the quality is there". A good watch is a necessity you wouldn't want to be late for bowling.
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102101? Hmmmm
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Post by: DON DRAPER on February 09, 2009, 03:57:43 PM
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 09, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
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Steven Vance
Pro Shop Operator
Striking Results Pro Shop
Red Carpet Lanes
Duluth (NE Atlanta), Georgia
If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
Post by: 102101 on February 09, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
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Just out of curiosity, do you think MoRich has dropped off since their balls have the "Made in Mexico" sticker on them as well? What gets me, is that ALOT of stuff we see and use everyday are made in other countries. Quite a bit of the houses we live in are built by Hispanics or other foreign decent. Does that mean we are going to live out in the streets? I don't think so. Where are BMWs primarily assembled? Spartanburg, SC. Having gone to Mexico is not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
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Steven Vance
Pro Shop Operator
Striking Results Pro Shop
Red Carpet Lanes
Duluth (NE Atlanta), Georgia
If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
I suppose that would depend if it is the city you live in where the company closes up shop and moves to Mexico. Loss of jobs means loss to tax revenue for the city and surrounding communities due to less money being spent by those who lost their jobs. I would venture to say that recreational activity will be one of the first things those people will cut out Steven. It might be a big deal after all. Just my opinion and outlook on things.
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102101? Hmmmm
www.blackhawklanes.com
Post by: 102101 on February 09, 2009, 05:14:32 PM
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you're right, a good watch is a necessity. you're also right in saying that some great bowling balls are made in the usa. however, the best bowling balls are currently being made in mexico.
Debatable Greg for you probably but not for a lot of us.
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102101? Hmmmm
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 09, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
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102101? Hmmmm
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Good point. I agree with this. What happens in Atlanta may be way different than what happens in say places like St Louis, Salt Lake, Pittsburgh, etc..
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Steven Vance
Pro Shop Operator
Striking Results Pro Shop
Red Carpet Lanes
Duluth (NE Atlanta), Georgia
If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
Post by: 102101 on February 09, 2009, 05:28:11 PM
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102101? Hmmmm
www.blackhawklanes.com
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 12, 2009, 08:25:40 PM
Post by: nocarey on February 12, 2009, 08:38:12 PM
Post by: Gazoo on February 13, 2009, 05:04:51 PM
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"I don't want to be remembered, I want to be forgotten"
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 13, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
Post by: Gazoo on February 13, 2009, 06:36:46 PM
Thanks,and when I need insight I will ask as I'm am sure that many others do when they have guestions. It is just my observation of this forum that most that goes on here is a battle between bashing Brunswick and defending Brunswick. I can never tell if I am in the Lane1 forum(which I now avoid) or the Brunswick forum. The other ball forums seem to give advice on what ever question with much less bashing although Ebonite is almost there.
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"I don't want to be remembered, I want to be forgotten"
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 13, 2009, 08:16:01 PM