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LuckyLefty

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Parker's Time Zone drill
« on: October 26, 2003, 02:43:23 AM »
Anyone see it today???

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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2003, 06:06:22 PM »
Why bother ???
It seemed to be drilled for a speed well below Parker's normal speed. Seems it needed an earlier rolling ball OR drilling. He loves the Time Zone; that's obvious, but ...

This afternoon's show reminded me of when he used the pearl Danger Zone, the Black Ice, in the mid 1990s. On the TV show it seemed like he always threw it thru the breakpoint and left a lot of 3/7/9s on an almost predictable basis.

Make no mistake; I am more saddened than critical because I am a PB III fan.

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2003, 05:28:46 AM »
Charlest,

Interesting points!

I have both the Time Zone and the Rebel EcX.

I was always fascinated that the drill sheet for the Rebel indicated that the heavy oil drilling was basically twisting the pin cg ratio so that it pointed to 2:30(for a righty).

Basically a label drill.  So I drilled my Rebel this way and the ball is often great!!!!  Big backend.

Now comes the Time Zone, same core.  The drill sheet is more standard and indicates one should for heavy oil kick the cg out!  For an earlier start.

I emailed Brunswick about this apparent inconsistency several times and got no reply!  So I drilled my Time zone a little stronger pin than Parker's with the cg out and got well just sort of what I expected.

A more rounded look than the Rebel with a ball that is frequently too long at the break on today's oils!  A lot like Parker's look!  Very even but just a touch long.  I was going to add a touch of surface to mine.

I wish I had drilled it more like my Rebel!

Anyway the ball is much archier than my Rebel and my Demo.

I wonder about those contradictory drill sheets???

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS to compare to other balls frankly the Time Zone has nothing on my Walter Ray Williams ball,
PPS purchased from the esteemed Charlest!

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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2003, 06:58:19 AM »
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Basically a label drill.  So I drilled my Rebel this way and the ball is often great!!!!  Big backend.


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Now comes the Time Zone, same core.  The drill sheet is more standard and indicates one should for heavy oil kick the cg out!  For an earlier start.

I emailed Brunswick about this apparent inconsistency several times and got no reply!  So I drilled my Time zone a little stronger pin than Parker's with the cg out and got well just sort of what I expected.

A more rounded look than the Rebel with a ball that is frequently too long at the break on today's oils!  A lot like Parker's look!  Very even but just a touch long.  I was going to add a touch of surface to mine.

I wish I had drilled it more like my Rebel!


Lefty, see both your quotes above..........drilling the Time Zone like the Rebel would give you MORE length than you're getting with it now ? Yes? A label drill will give you more length than CG out ?
Did you mean to say that ?
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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2003, 05:38:21 PM »
Au Contraire!

That is the "COMMON" wisdom, and so far I have seen it to be true for ALL other balls.

But for some reason the REbel ECX drill sheet disagreed with this.

Straight up was longest and moving towards a 2:30 drilling(for a righty)was listed as the earliest biggest flaring setup.

I would be happy to send it to you in powerpoint!

Why the Time Zone differs with same core I don'tunderstand!

Oh by the way even though Parker only shot 212 it was with 9 Strikes!
One 7 -10, one 7 pin, and one 6 pin.  All missed on pickup attempts.

Has he been taking lessons from me.

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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2003, 04:52:44 AM »
Lucky,

I wonder if you aren't confusing the issue. Unless I miss my guess, Brunswick is obfuscating on the drillings of this ball. I think the PSA marker, or whatever Brunswick is calling that point, is just the rest of the world's Mass Bias point for the core. Remember when resins were introduced and everyone called it "reactive resin" EXCEPT BRUNSWICK, who had to call it "reactive urethane". It confused people so much, that some people were sayign they preferred reactive urethane over reactive resin and they wanted other companies to make their balls of reactive urethane, instead of resin, WHEN THEY WERE ONE AND THE SAME CHEMICAL ENTITY!

Treat that marker as one does an MB point, as the fine tuning normally done by the positioning of the CG. The line represented by pin-CG-MB is the core's asymmetry; the core angle is basically the angle in degrees that people reference, which together with the pin distance, governs a lot of the ball's path.

See my comments under "How should I drill my Time Zone" by belgarion.
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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2003, 05:30:12 AM »
I am NOT confused!

I would be glad to send the Rebel ECX drill sheets to anyone.

A label leverage or 105 degree drilling(that terminology not specified in the drill sheets) was listed as strongest.  Straight up was listed as weakest.

Now the drill sheets for the Time Zone are more standard.  MB or locator kicked out is listed as for heavy oil.

Anyway I think one must see the original Rebel drill sheets in order to discuss this with me.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I agree with you Charlest that a bit of surface on the Time Zone should move it up the scale.
PPS It is no Demolition Zone as far as reaction capabilities!  Demo is massive!
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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2003, 06:23:29 AM »
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I am NOT confused!


I DID NOT SAY THAT! Please read what I said again.

All I was trying to imply was that the core angle line is a constant (pin-CG-MB) and that Brunswick is intentionally trying to confuse the everyday bowler by using different terminology to make them think their Mass Bias theory and implementation is different from every body else's theory.
 
Maybe you don't remember but Brunswick/Quantum put together a promotional tape a few years ago using the Throbot to "PROVE" that Mass Bias did not work. Now they are re-implementing it in the Tine Zone and in future balls. Sounds like hypocrisy to me. Of course, they don't call it "Mass Bias"; they use the next level of implication, "Preferred Spin Axis". Potato, Poh-tah-to.

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PS I agree with you Charlest that a bit of surface on the Time Zone should move it up the scale.
PPS It is no Demolition Zone as far as reaction capabilities!  Demo is massive!


I do not think the Demolition ZOne had such a high gloss finish as Brunswick is now using on many of its balls. It was polished, yes, not shiny. Makes a big difference in hook potential.
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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2003, 04:02:19 PM »
Well, I must say the Rebel either worked great or didn't.

I could not get too inside but when I was straight up or small swing it was awesome.

My friend called it my "self correcting ball".

One night I had 421 by the 15th frame of the 3 game set.
I must have tightened up thumb swelled for the first and only time in my bowling life and ended up with just a good night.  Not great!

Ball was every bit as good as the Ti Messenger if not better!

Particularly loved synthetic lanes!

I wish I had used same drilling on Time Zone as Time Zone as I stated is just really archy and late.  I like my Walter Ray Williams MVP better and it is stronger at the back at least on wood backends!

Why did Brunswick come out with this now.  Well they already used a bunch of revotion cores in the monster series.  Green Black, Purple, Brimstone and REd/Black are all revolution cores.

Some very smart people at Brunswick knew that the feed back was great on the Rebel.  Staffers were quite envious of Danny Wiseman had it and they could not use it!  The smart people and the staffers pushed for it and now it has happened.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Parker's Time Zone drill
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2003, 01:41:03 PM »
Well guys I have a time zone and I drilled mine with the pin at 12 o'clock and the cg 1/4 in positive shift and I love mine.  it is smooth through the heads and not jerky on the backend.  It reads the mid lane great.  I have used it bowling regionals on pattern E.  On the drilling sheets it also depends on your rev rate and speed.  The drilling they give you don't always work the same for every individual. The individual has to find drillings that work good for them.
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