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earlyrolling

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Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« on: October 11, 2018, 05:49:13 PM »
So with regard to layouts on the Brunswick Fearless, is there such a thing still as Pin-to-PAP distance?  Or is it now called DOT-to-PAP distance?
I am thinking of the middle # in a dual angle layout (such as 65x4x30).

References:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLQRwsgSDo
http://brunswickbowling.com/products/dot
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 07:02:14 PM »
Its the same idea, the "DOT" simply replaces the physical PIN that extended from the core to the surface of the ball. So when referencing your layout, just treat the "DOT" as if it was the PIN.

I think a lot of people don't realize that the pin on a ball is not just a marker, its a physical piece of material that extends from the weight block to the surface of the ball that is used for manufacturing purposes, while also indicating where the top of the LOW RG axis is on the ball. The pin creates voids in the ball in that area and this is typically why when you drill close to it, the pin can crack out, or the ball can end up cracking, because of the weakened structural integrity around that area.

The new "DOT" is still marking the top of the LOW RG axis, just like the pin did, but its only an engraving. It is what you will use for layout purposes for that middle number in a dual angle layout. The physical PIN used in manufacturing has been moved to the bottom of LOW RG axis and will not be needed for layout purposes.

The whole purpose is to not have to drill near the physical PIN anymore so that it is less likely to crack, which is particularly why they are offering a 4 year warranty on the ball.
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2018, 07:12:07 PM »
Quote from: bowler001 on October 11, 2018, 07:02:14 PM
Its the same idea, the "DOT" simply replaces the physical PIN that extended from the core to the surface of the ball. So when referencing your layout, just treat the "DOT" as if it was the PIN.

I think a lot of people don't realize that the pin on a ball is not just a marker, its a physical piece of material that extends from the weight block to the surface of the ball that is used for manufacturing purposes, while also indicating where the top of the LOW RG axis is on the ball. The pin creates voids in the ball in that area and this is typically why when you drill close to it, the pin can crack out, or the ball can end up cracking, because of the weakened structural integrity around that area.

The new "DOT" is still marking the top of the LOW RG axis, just like the pin did, but its only an engraving. It is what you will use for layout purposes for that middle number in a dual angle layout. The physical PIN used in manufacturing has been moved to the bottom of LOW RG axis and will not be needed for layout purposes.

The whole purpose is to not have to drill near the physical PIN anymore so that it is less likely to crack, which is particularly why they are offering a 4 year warranty on the ball.

Yep. This covers it.
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2018, 07:24:24 PM »
Quote from: earlyrolling on October 11, 2018, 05:49:13 PM
So with regard to layouts on the Brunswick Fearless, is there such a thing still as Pin-to-PAP distance?  Or is it now called DOT-to-PAP distance?
I am thinking of the middle # in a dual angle layout (such as 65x4x30).

References:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLQRwsgSDo
http://brunswickbowling.com/products/dot

Since the question was about what jargon will be used.

Only time will tell what jargon will be used to describe the "DOT" in layouts etc.if all the companies follow suit in this practice.

It might be called the Dot, Virtual Pin, Low RG mark or still just the "Pin". We'll just have to wait and see what takes hold and goes into common usage.
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earlyrolling

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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2018, 12:00:22 AM »
Can't all ball companies just use an engraving to mark the top of the LOW RG axis?

Why have a pin at all then, whether it is on the top or bottom of the ball?

The only hole that could be at the South Pole would be a Mo Pinel motion hole right?
And that will be illegal soon.
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2018, 06:03:08 AM »
Quote from: earlyrolling on October 12, 2018, 12:00:22 AM
Can't all ball companies just use an engraving to mark the top of the LOW RG axis?

Why have a pin at all then, whether it is on the top or bottom of the ball?

The only hole that could be at the South Pole would be a Mo Pinel motion hole right?
And that will be illegal soon.

The pin is also use in the production process to hold the core in place. Important to make sure the ball is made correctly

go to the 1:40 mark and the 3:49 mark of the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlN1cQLZGE0
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2018, 10:30:40 AM »
Anyone else think it's a bad idea to put such a "groundbreaking" design into such a silly looking ball? We all know color schemes don't matter, but solid, symmetric, and ugly?..... Unless this gets some huge visibility on tour to spark some Sunday/Monday impulse buys, I can see the Fearless in the closeout section by Spring.

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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 11:08:25 AM »
Quote from: DP3 on October 12, 2018, 10:30:40 AM
Anyone else think it's a bad idea to put such a "groundbreaking" design into such a silly looking ball? We all know color schemes don't matter, but solid, symmetric, and ugly?..... Unless this gets some huge visibility on tour to spark some Sunday/Monday impulse buys, I can see the Fearless in the closeout section by Spring.

Maybe opting to "try" it on something middle of the road first and see how it goes? Being that its a manufacturing change, I don't see Brunswick expecting to sell more of these particular balls because of it, but more trying to sell the idea of it and carrying into other releases once its established. I personally like the look of the ball, but I would agree that midline symm solids aren't usually hot sellers.
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 11:16:44 AM »
I just want to know how we went from balls lasting only 100 games or so to having balls with 4 year warranties?
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 12:14:48 PM »
Interesting that Big B's marketing lists the new pin positioning/marking process (DOT) as "patent-pending." (Note: that is a patent, not a trademark for the word "DOT".)

Do they really think they can patent and license this process? If so, then who holds the patent for the current process that all ball mfgs currently use?
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 01:14:57 PM »
Quote from: DP3 on October 12, 2018, 10:30:40 AM
Anyone else think it's a bad idea to put such a "groundbreaking" design into such a silly looking ball? We all know color schemes don't matter, but solid, symmetric, and ugly?..... Unless this gets some huge visibility on tour to spark some Sunday/Monday impulse buys, I can see the Fearless in the closeout section by Spring.



LOL, YOU THINK PEOPLE STILL BUY BOWLING BALLS BECAUSE OF THE TOUR.

It's not the mid 90s anymore, sadly. If you can even catch the "show" you're not as intrigued anymore.
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 01:20:10 PM »
Eh, there's still a decent segment of mom's & dad's that will snap purchase anything their Jr. Gold participant wants to throw this week cause it looked good on the internet/tv.
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 05:25:06 PM »
Considering how simple the idea is followed by how many people are already confused by it says a lot for bowlers,  and some proshops.

How many have seen proshops drill a plastic ball based off of the same concept where the pin is on the bottom of the ball and the cg on top….. Resulting with the ball being drilled with the cg on the bottom of the ball and over on static weight.  Ask the guys at nationals how many come through this way.

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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 08:00:32 PM »
Exactly Ignite, Brunswick has already switched the plastics over before the Dot tech was finalized. From a shop standpoint, not having to worry about adjusting layouts for pin placement near holes will be great, for customers its hard to argue a 4 year warranty on anything now days!
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Re: Layout Jargon for Brunswick Fearless
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 08:10:27 PM »
Quote from: ignitebowling on October 12, 2018, 05:25:06 PM

How many have seen proshops drill a plastic ball based off of the same concept where the pin is on the bottom of the ball and the cg on top….. Resulting with the ball being drilled with the cg on the bottom of the ball and over on static weight.  Ask the guys at nationals how many come through this way.



I'd beg and plead for this to not be true, but alas, I know it is...
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