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Sir Bowl-A-Lot

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Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« on: August 30, 2005, 11:11:41 PM »
If I put a high gloss finish on the Nemesis, will I have the same ball?
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2005, 07:40:58 AM »
It wasn't tweaked its just a pearl, so you got Pearl Pk18 vs. Solid Pk18.  No matter how much you polish a solid it still won't react exactly like a pearl.
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2005, 07:41:21 AM »
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Plus it's pearl.


What exactly is a pearlized cover?  I mean, what gets poured into the cover to create the pearl effect?  Also, what would be the reaction difference(s) be between the same type of cover (PK18 for example) with the same finish (high gloss) but one being a solid and the other being a pearl?  If the answer is that the pearl will get more length, please explain why that is.
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2005, 07:50:43 AM »
It will go longer because some mica (dusted minerals, sometimes other compounds) is added to the coverstock base. The material is a bit harder. I amsure, when you have a Nemesis and a Rampage, one pair polished and one pair dulled, and tested on the same condistions, the pearl ball will react a bit less and more skid/snap than the solid one, which grabs the lane better.

Ever wondered why mostly any light oil ball is a pearl and why heavy oil reactives are almost completely solid reactive? It is because of the general coverstock characteristics. Therefore, the Rampage is better suited for medium-dry conditions, while the Nemesis is better suited for medium-oily shots. The make up a very nice combo, though.
 
You will rarely find a sanded pearl ball for heavy oil. I guess the TPC Player is one of the rare examples?
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2005, 07:53:27 AM »
I have heard it is mica but it has never been explained to me.  A pearl coverstock is going to have less open pores in it that even a polished solid resin.  Less pores equal less grab on the lane meaning more length.  A highly polished solid may get the same length as a pearl but only till a little polish wears off but the pearl won't wear off so to speak.  Pearl balls also depending on what type of pearl cover it is they tend to be jumpier off the dry boards snappier if you will, now some pearl not all of them mind you.  Can't you get close with a hgihly polished solid same core like a nemesis and a rampage sure as long as you polish it after every use on a spinner.  Otherwise if you want that look your better off with the pearl cover.
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2005, 07:58:25 AM »
Thanks guys.  That answers my questions.
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2005, 05:40:34 PM »
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It will go longer because some mica (dusted minerals, sometimes other compounds) is added to the coverstock base. The material is a bit harder. I am sure, when you have a Nemesis and a Rampage, one pair polished and one pair dulled, and tested on the same condistions, the pearl ball will react a bit less and more skid/snap than the solid one, which grabs the lane better.
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Actually, pearl doesn't always mean harder anymore. It means that the pearl is less elastic and thus giving a smaller footprint on the lane which will give you less overall traction.
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Yup, as far as I know, harder and softer don't truly mean a lot these days. Resin balls are generally in the range of 72-78.

One of the things pearlization (some companies use mica; some use other methiods.) does is make a ball deform less when it contacts the lane. This provide a smaller "footprint", so to speak in contact with the lane.(Storm talks about this a lot in their new coverstocks, like Monsoon, and not necessarily when they are talking about pealrs.) Elasticity is the concept here; not hardness, as D-Pat indicated.
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2005, 07:54:33 PM »
Affirmative.
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2005, 08:12:29 PM »
I want to say that the Bruiser is a highly polished soild.
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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2005, 08:14:54 PM »
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So whats the difference between the monster bruiser and the rampage? just different cores?
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Same solid PK 18, as far as I know, Bruiser is polished, Nemesis is 800 grit matte/dull/sanded. Nemesis is flippier and has larger RG differential for greater potential flare. With the same surface finish, I suspect the Bruiser is closer to being a control ball, when thrown by the same bowler. Depends on what you need or what you want (2 different things ...).

Upon reedit: To take it a step further, what the difference between the Rampage and the Fire Quantum?

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Re: Diff. between the Nemesis & the Rampage?
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2005, 08:19:17 PM »
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Upon reedit: To take it a step further, what the difference between the Rampage and the Fire Quantum?


Let's see, the color, the core, and the engraving.
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