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mogators

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Mass Bias Angle
« on: April 15, 2006, 11:47:23 PM »
Thought I'd start a new thread about this and add some pictures.  Take a look at these two layouts and see if I am understanding the angle of the MB correctly.
Pin under: http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/10507315493.gif&s=x402
Pin above: http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/10507313254.gif&s=x402
The MB is in the same location on both layouts but the pin has been raised on one of them obviously changing the length of the pin from the PAP, but also changing the angle to the MB.  On the pin down layout the angle is approximately 75 degrees and the pin up layout is close to 45 degrees.  If I am understanding this correctly, if I wanted to get a 75 degree angle in a pin up ball, I would need to move the MB to the negative quadrant of the thumb.  That would result in a week layout wouldn't it?  I still think I am not understanding how this angle is measured as it doesn't seem possible to layout a pin up ball with a strong MB according to my reasoning and I know people talk about doing that.
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Re: Mass Bias Angle
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2006, 09:24:10 AM »
here you go bud, hopefully this clears things up for you.

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Re: Mass Bias Angle
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2006, 09:24:18 AM »
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Re: Mass Bias Angle
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2006, 11:17:43 AM »
i recieved a ball from bowlingball.com and got a 4.5" pin, the thing was borderline drillable, because the CG was close to the thumb hole, with 4.4 ounces of top weight.

so yes, 2-3" pin would be optimal for most spans, especially for damage control with too much top weight.

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Re: Mass Bias Angle
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2006, 12:00:17 PM »
The mb is not like the cg, it is a set distance from the pin (1/4 the circumference of a ball.  CG's can vary from less than 1" away from the pin to more than 5" from the pin.  As to your other post, pin distances really don't have much of an effect on ball reaction, other than the face that different pin distances open up different possibilities for weight holes.  In certain instances combinations of top weight and pin distances make certain layouts undrillable.
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Re: Mass Bias Angle
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2006, 08:53:25 PM »
MegaMev,
   This website looks like it agrees with what I was saying, that the angle is formed from the PAP -> Pin -> MB.  Am I correct with that?
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Re: Mass Bias Angle
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2006, 12:45:19 AM »
PAP ---> PIN

AND

PAP ---> MB

yes, overall reaction comes from a combination of the 2 distances

the PIN ---> PAP being the primary effect (flare & length)

the MB ---> PAP being the secondary effect (breakpoint shape)

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Re: Mass Bias Angle
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2006, 08:27:22 AM »
OK,
I think I am squared away now on how the angle is created.  Then is this information (taken from Big One drilling instructions) fairly accurate for most balls with a mass bias?
 
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0 Degree Mass Bias Very Smooth and Even reaction
45 Degree Mass Bias Early roll Ball Reaction
75 Degree Mass Bias Strong and Angular Ball Reaction
90 Degree Long and Smooth Ball Reaction
135 Degree Mass Bias Not Recommended Because of Very Little Flare Potential


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