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lefty50

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Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« on: March 01, 2014, 03:57:28 PM »
Can anyone who has actually thrown both balls compare the Mastermind and/or Mastermind Genius to the C-system Maxxed Out for me please?

Thanks in advance
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lefty50

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2014, 12:37:58 AM »
@Avabob, my Maxxed Out is at about 35-40 games right now and has lost it's hitting power too, that's why I asked. Thanks for the reply. I haven't frankly seen that problem in a Brunswick cover, although I'm not an expert on the brand. Glad to hear you haven't seen that in the Mastermind.
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2014, 10:34:26 AM »
We have a lefty who throws it very nicely still looking great with the Maxxed out after hundreds of games with it!  Playing like 9 out to 5 he is!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2014, 12:08:59 PM »
It depends on what you are bowling on.  My maxxed out was still fine on house shots with lots of friction outside.  Problems came for me on flatter patterns.  That is where I could really see it die. 
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2014, 02:16:14 PM »
The maxxed-out was a great ball but like many said, "tamed down" quite a bit. But this was due to the cover just lane shining really fast. My entire team threw them last year and we would hit them with a lot of surface in practice knowing how quick they want to clean up. With that many games on your maxxed-out(30 to 40) just hit it with a fresh 1500 or 2000 pad and you will have the original strength and shape.

And for what its worth, the Mastermind and Genius are both much stronger like everyone else has said. The closest to the maxxed-out from what I have seen is actually a Melee with surface to smooth it out. The shape and where it hooks is very similar to the maxxed-out.
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2014, 03:03:31 AM »
Quote from: lefty50 on March 01, 2014, 03:57:28 PM
Can anyone who has actually thrown both balls compare the Mastermind and/or Mastermind Genius to the C-system Maxxed Out for me please?

Thanks in advance

The Maxxed has a tamer read of the lanes. Does better on wooden or high friction synthetic lane surfaces, but only as a mid-range ball. The original Mastermind is virtually the same as the Storm Sync. Of the 2 i like the Mastermind as it tends to drive through the pocket cleaner with no deflection. Be aware that the Mastermind cover stock tends to absorb oil like a sponge and keeping the surface clean after usage is recommended. The Mastermind Genius has the best reaction of all 3. It's currently the strongest ball i own. Hits hard with no discernable pocket deflection. Keeping a constant speed is crucial due to the agressive nature of the cover stock. As much as i love the Mastermind i love the Genius more as it makes it look like i have way more hand then i usually do. Lol
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2014, 08:30:20 AM »
Chris, thanks for the comments. I have to say you are the first person that I've seen with strong positive comments about the Genius. I am absolutely interested in trying the original Mastermind, but I think I will be going with the Yeti Unleashed for Nationals.

After that however, I am definitely looking for something with a little more length and breaks hard off the spot to help my low-rev style. Sounds to me like you have found good success with the Genius in this slot?

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2014, 08:52:21 AM »
Hmm,  The Genius looks good in my house.  I don't know how durable.

As to the C system Maxxed out which looks great for a good handed lefty who really gets it down the lane in the air.  Day after Day after Day.

I wonder how the Meanstreak Beatdown compares to the C System Maxxed out?

Anyone of the experts above willing to make a comparison?

Thanks,

Luckylefty
PS Walter Ray looked pretty good with his genius at the Senior Tour event this week!
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2014, 09:08:33 AM »
I absolutely love the Mastermind Genius. It is cleaner than the Mastermind with its hybrid cover, and has a strong arcing type of motion. I have used the Mastermind Genius on house and sport conditions with success, and haven't found a condition that it didn't have a consistent performance. Also, It takes well to cover changes.

Comparing the Maxxed-Out with the Meanstreak Beatdown, the Maxxed-out starts up a little earlier. The Maxxed-Out has a strong midlane roll, and the Beatdown has a strong downlane roll. With both having a solid coverstock, they take well to surface changes. I keep both of mine at 2000, and use them for heavier oil.
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2014, 12:22:49 PM »
Brandon,

Thank you I have both neither drilled!  Do you feel to get as much backend board coverage one should put shorten the pin to PAP on the Meanstreak a slight tad from what you would put on the C Max( I note the lower diff of the Beatdown) We have a guy loving his C Maxx in our house but he lofts the ball half way to the arrows, I don't.

Any other opinions?

On those two good looking symmetrics?

REgards,

Luckylefty 
« Last Edit: April 25, 2014, 01:21:42 PM by LuckyLefty »
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2014, 08:23:01 AM »
No. The Pin to PAP distance determines the flare potential, and I would keep both similar. If you are looking for a complimentary reaction for both, I would go with a pin down on the Maxxed-out and a pin up on the Beatdown. You might want to add some rough buff or polish to the Beatdown to give you more flip on the back.
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2014, 07:08:54 AM »
Lucky, It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I feel that the Maxxed Out and the Beatdown are too similar to drill both at the same time. The Beatdown was the improved replacement for the Maxxed Out. Like Brandon said, drill one pin up and one pin down. In my experience, I did not like my MO pin up but did like my Beatdown pin up. Loved both balls pin down. Both were drilled very similar pin down. Still use my Beatdown every now and then.
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2014, 07:12:52 AM »
Lefty50, I have three different Genius. Two are drilled for very specific type of reactions and don't get a lot of use. I drilled the 3rd one about 3 weeks ago and I have really only used this ball since. Clean, angular but not unpredictable. Cant beat it. It is by far the cleanest strong cover ball I have ever thrown. This last one I actually drilled really strong for me and still super clean and provides plenty of angle.
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