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lefty50

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Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« on: March 01, 2014, 03:57:28 PM »
Can anyone who has actually thrown both balls compare the Mastermind and/or Mastermind Genius to the C-system Maxxed Out for me please?

Thanks in advance
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kidlost2000

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 06:22:10 PM »
Mastermind is the biggest overall hooking of the 3. The genius is closer to a beefed up Maxxed out.

If you just want to replace a Maxxed out with something new then the Genius is a good option. If you want a literal super hook monster then the Mastermind is it.
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lefty50

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2014, 10:50:27 PM »
Kid, I am confused about one thing. Everything I have seen or heard about these two balls indicate that they are both long. My Maxxed Out is many things, but length is not one of them. Are you saying that the Genius is close to the Maxxed Out in overall hook or in a ball shape as well?

Thanks a lot
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2014, 11:49:33 PM »
Meanstreak Beatdown is your Maxxed Out replacement
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 12:49:41 AM »
The Mastermind will be a little more angular in shape and quite a bit stronger than the Maxxed Out.  The new Mastermind Genius is a few boards stronger than the Maxxed Out in over all hook but is a much quicker response time.  It will give you more length but with greater angularity when encountering friction.  The differences between the Genius and the Maxxed out in overall hook will be magnified on the house shot.  Those drier boards really get the Genius started and it will show its ability to retain energy and recover when compared with the earlier rolling Maxxed Out.  The difference in length between the two will show up greater on the higher volume sport type lane conditions.  On those type lane conditions, the surface texture of the Maxxed Out and the Mastermind will get them started sooner.  The sooner start will lead to more overall boards covered in that situation.  The Mastermind Beatdown is the ball that is closest to the Maxxed Out out of the current lineup.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 05:06:40 AM »
Quote from: lefty50 on March 01, 2014, 10:50:27 PM
Kid, I am confused about one thing. Everything I have seen or heard about these two balls indicate that they are both long. My Maxxed Out is many things, but length is not one of them. Are you saying that the Genius is close to the Maxxed Out in overall hook or in a ball shape as well?

Thanks a lot

It is going to depend on how you drill them. Of the 3 you mention the Genius is the closest thing to a maxxed out. The Mastermind is going to be an overall bigger hooking ball.
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2014, 07:14:18 AM »
I would agree, if you are looking to replace the Maxxed Out then, the Meanstreak Beatdown is the ball to go with. The Mastermind will be everything Chris said and as well as the Genius.
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2014, 08:55:19 AM »

I agree, also, that the Beatdown would be closest to the Maxxed Out.  I believe it's an improvement though.

The Mastermind is awesome on the fresh, while the Genius will help you create more room as the lanes start to open up, in my estimation.

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lefty50

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2014, 09:27:43 AM »
Good conversation, thanks to all for the feedback.
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avabob

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2014, 04:40:51 PM »
Maxxed out with its tamer core is much smoother than Mastermind.  Also a tamer shell.  I liked the maxxed out on house shots, and broken down tournament patterns where it would allow me to stay in the track, or push it through broken down heads.  Mastermind reads the friction much harder than maxxed out. 

Also the maxxed out tames down in a much more noticeable manner after 30 or 40 games to the detriment of us rev challenged guys.  Mastermind is almost better when you take the surface to 4000 wet sanded than in box condition. 
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 04:43:19 PM by avabob »
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 10:21:14 AM »
Mastermind, even with a slightly polished shell is one of the strongest balls off the breakpoint I have thrown.  Maxxed out in box condition is much smoother off the breakpoint.  Also the Maxxed out really tamed down quickly from its box condition
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 10:27:11 AM »
Particularly be careful of purchasing a Maxxed out on the internet.

Though some dealers are acting like they have all pin outs.  The only thing that is available is pins of less than 2 and top weights less than 2.5.

Be careful whom you deal with.  Those short pins are usually quite smooth off the spot!  May not have the Pop you need!

Regards,

Luckylefty
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lefty50

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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2014, 10:59:33 AM »
@Avabob, can you explain a little more what is meant by "tamed down quickly from OOB?" do you mean it soaked up oil quickly or that any surface changes really tamed it quickly?
Also, for all, there were a few presumed trolls/haters at the lanes saying that the Mastermind cover really quickly... Sometimes that does happen with a heavy oiler despite good maintenance... Any evidence in this case?
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2014, 12:53:44 PM »
My Maxxed out really stopped hitting after about 30 games.  Not sure if it was oil, or the surface taming down.  I experienced a similar change in my Versamax.  On my Mastermind, it did a 4000 wet sand before ever throwing it.  I still hit a lot of conditions where I cant get it to push enough, but it remains very strong off the break point, and carry is exceptional when I can use it. 
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Re: Mastermind and/or Genius vs. Maxxed Out
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2014, 01:16:55 PM »
Beatdown's are discontinued, so you should be able to get one at a great price
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