Author Topic: Melee Issue (Read 7014 times)

fishbowler · « **on:** January 09, 2014, 01:31:35 PM »

Hello

I recently purchased a melee and though I love its smoothness I am disappointed I am not seeing more backend movement or continuation. Lots of weak 10's. I have tried moving closer to friction but still fighting carry. I can hit ther pocket all day with it but have little in the way of recovery.

I have it drilled pin just under ring with cg out to the right (about 3/4 inch right of centerline) and about 1 inch above thumb (3 inch pin). At box it was just too squirrely so I took to 4000 and it got better. I am a slow speed stroker with a fairly low track (but not spinner low).

I have read the threads started by Natty and have some ideas on changing the surface (down to 500, then back to 3000). Sounds like me and him are seeing very similar results.

Matty stated that his driller made the x-hole bigger and that helped. Mine has no wt hole. My question is would adding a wt hole help with the backend reaction? if so where? maybe in P3 quadrant? How big and how deep?

ps: my PAP is 4.5 in over and 1/2 inch up.

thanks in advance doug

baer300 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2014, 01:36:23 PM »

Doug, I would suggest a weight hole. P3 would be great. Have your driller weigh it, and go from there. Start smaller and 3" deep. Then just go up as needed. Then adjust surface to match where you want to play the lanes at.

fishbowler · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2014, 01:53:15 PM »

Thanks Adam for the quick reply. Would you suggest the x-hole placement first and then decide on a surface texture once I see the reaction I am getting?

I do not want to give up on this ball as the predictability is off the charts, this thing can be special. I can see a hi-rev player making some serious hey with this thing.

baer300 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2014, 02:08:12 PM »

Yes, I would do the hole first to get the shape you want. Then the surface to adjust amount of hook.

MrNattyBoh · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2014, 03:10:48 PM »

Baer300 is who helped with my issues. Hard to believe what a bigger x-hole will do for you. I cant wait to get back on the lanes with this thing! I can see some big matches coming out of this ball.

fishbowler · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2014, 03:21:28 PM »

Natty, where is the x-hole at? my pin is just under next to ring and cg out some and to the right of centerline of grip. I was told a p3 quadrant hole, is this what you have.

MrNattyBoh · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2014, 03:26:38 PM »

that's more of a question for Baer300. He is the one that drilled mine up. I don't much about layouts and stuff like that.

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2014, 03:56:05 PM »

I'm a little confused on the layout choice, especially for a slow speed stroker like you say you are . . sounds like you got it fixed, but I don't like the layout, I think that was the problem.

baer300 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2014, 08:11:07 AM »

Natty's ball has a whole in the P3 location. With his ball I started smaller and ended up going bigger to get the desired shape.

fishbowler · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2014, 10:20:49 AM »

Gizmo, on the conditions I see around here I do not want anything flippy so I drill almost everything pin down, just have had so much more success with this type of drill than pin over. This house has a tendency to have late sharp angles so pin downs work best for me.

fishbowler · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2014, 10:21:47 AM »

I now have added a P3 hole and will try tonite in league and keep all posted. thanks for everyone's input.

JZook · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2014, 10:26:44 AM »

Pin location is all relative to your axis. What might work great for you might be bad for someone else. So without knowing your axis you would have to go off of a standard assumption on drilling. Usually when something is drilled with a lower pin the ball does not snap as hard and is a smoother more controlled drilling. Usually a higher pin will create a sharper breakpoint. As far as the surface...if you took the polish off and went to 4000 surface it will smooth out the reaction and usually reduces how hard it comes off the break point as well as how far down the lane the break point is. Not knowing much about your game a surface change is always the easiest and I would consider taking the ball down to 1000 and then polishing.

fishbowler · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2014, 11:15:39 PM »

ok update on first time with p3 wt hole with ball at 4000. Shot 742 with 6 ten pins, two solid 8's, one pocket 7/10. Ball was so smooth but now has enough tip and backend to carry much better. Very pleased never had to move all nite, never missed the pocket one time. The x-hole made a big difference as I was very close before but needed a little more tip at end. Thanks to Adam for his help

baer300 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2014, 06:32:34 AM »

Fish, Glad to hear this worked out for you. Keep up the great bowling!! Glad I could help.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2014, 06:53:02 AM »

From mid 500s to 742! I think I am getting ready to order up a P3 also.

Seriously, Added a 2 inches under pap VAL weighthole on a 2 inch pin to PAP ball yesterday.

For a new pin up Freeze setup I am thinking of adding a P3 or P4 type to try the Double thumb type of setup to get a little pull back towards me of that horse of a balls breakpoint!

REgards,

Luckylefty

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