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fishbowler

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Melee Issue
« on: January 09, 2014, 01:31:35 PM »
Hello

I recently purchased a melee and though I love its smoothness I am disappointed I am not seeing more backend movement or continuation. Lots of weak 10's.  I have tried moving closer to friction but still fighting carry.  I can hit ther pocket all day with it but have little in the way of recovery.

I have it drilled pin just under ring with cg out to the right (about 3/4 inch right of centerline) and about 1 inch above thumb (3 inch pin).  At box it was just too squirrely so I took to 4000 and it got better.  I am a slow speed stroker with a fairly low track (but not spinner low). 

I have read the threads started by Natty and have some ideas on changing the surface (down to 500, then back to 3000).  Sounds like me and him are seeing very similar results.

Matty stated that his driller made the x-hole bigger and that helped.  Mine has no wt hole.  My question is would adding a wt hole help with the backend reaction?  if so where?  maybe in P3 quadrant?  How big and how deep?
 
ps: my PAP is 4.5 in over and 1/2 inch up.

thanks in advance doug
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Gizmo823

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Re: Melee Issue
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2014, 10:28:42 AM »
Well yeah, but flippy vs not flippy has to do with where your fingerholes go in relation to what your PAP is.  "Pin down" can do completely different things for different people.  I'd say you need to catch up on current drilling technology and procedures, especially if you're picking your own layouts. 

Quote from: fishbowler on January 10, 2014, 10:20:49 AM
Gizmo, on the conditions I see around here I do not want anything flippy so I drill almost everything pin down, just have had so much more success with this type of drill than pin over.  This house has a tendency to have late sharp angles so pin downs work best for me.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Melee Issue
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2014, 06:27:31 PM »
Surface also plays a factor in how fast or slow the ball will respond to friction. The super high gloss finish of the melee creates a lot of length but friction down lane will still cause it to jump. The ball, to me, is ideal for drier conditions at box surface. Adding a flare increasing x-hole can make it stronger but the ball does not handle oil well. Even with some surface I am seeing the ball better suited for later games when the lanes are breaking down and you have a defined wall of dry to play off of.

This is the last week of surface adjustments on mine before going up for sale. The Ringer Platinum has been a more versatile ball of the two so far for me.
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northface28

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Re: Melee Issue
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2014, 06:38:51 PM »
Wow, some of you guys were spooging your briefs over this ball, now all I see and hear is it doesnt hook.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Melee Issue
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2014, 06:53:41 PM »
It hooks. I'm not impressed with the ball. Never owned a Versamax and never cared to have the next one. Was interested in the ball and drilled it along side my Platinum and the Platinum has out shinned the Melee. Still will wait to see how this goes after one more shot with a surface change.

The Melee isn't listed as a big hooking ball so I would hope no one assumed it would be even though it is in the higher price point.
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UpstateProShopChris

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Re: Melee Issue
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2014, 12:27:13 AM »
The lower pin creates a higher RG which slows down the response to friction giving you the smoother reaction shape you see.  Using a weight hole to open the flares up some could improve the reaction along with a little more surface.   Not knowing your game or being able to look at the flare and axis migration I would suggest you take it back to your driller for further analysis.  With the little bit of information we have I would suggest a weight hole low on the VAL and a greater surface change to something like 500 then 4000 Siaair.  With a slower response drilling (pin down) and a short or long pin to axis these balls don't hook a ton.  To see a big move they need the right surface and drill combo which in most cases seems to be a moderate pin to axis distance using shorter VAL angles.  The Melee will then make a very aggressive move at the breakpoint with the right surface combo for the bowler on the right lane condition.
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