I have Vapor Zone 4" pin to pap and mb at 55 degrees.Drilled Red Zone 4" at 35 degrees. Playing the same line on house shot the vapor reads earlier and flips but the Red Zone goes longer and turns harder than anything I have seen. I guess because of the factory polish compared to the ruff buff on the Vapor. I think the the Red would be great to go to after the lane transitions and the Vapor hooks to early. Thats what I bought it for. Note: I did have to play a few boards more to the right with the Red than the Vapor to strike.