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Long Gone Daddy

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New balls not measuring up?
« on: August 30, 2013, 08:36:41 AM »
Can't help but notice that on the Big B forum all the talk is about the Strike King.  Nothing about the pro performance stuff.  Walk into my local pro shop and they have a Paranormal Aura and Meanstreak Beatdown and a Ringer.  Meanwhile every Storm Hammer, DV8 ball made is on display.  Brunswick falling behind the others in buzz and performance?
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2013, 10:12:43 AM »
Track has a good line up now..I think best since the numbers series started.
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2013, 11:09:00 AM »
DV8s sell like crazy! Big b not so much...I do see more radical than big b now..which is odd.

Everyone had the first nexus, and I havent seen much since..oddly enough.

Yeah, I got the first Nexus also.  Nice ball.  Bought the new Nexxxus and am not impressed.  Might try the Meanstreak Brawler next but to tell the truth, I'm thinking of starting to go to Motiv or 900G equipment.  Big B just ain't, well, ain't.

Chet, it may have to do with "match-up" with the bowler plus the conditions a bowler bowls on as I have the newer Nexxxus and absolutely LOVE it. This Nexxxus plus the Versa-Max and Meanstreak are one of the best 3 ball combinations I have ever had, especially for the conditions I bowl on.
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2013, 03:53:40 PM »
personally had some hits and misses with big b...hit copperhead favorite ball of all time still have it use on wood lanes...absolute inferno.....misses evil siege....versa-max over hyped piece of dead weight my pits play with it....that's why staying away from big b for long time...went back to hammer.....now i do have a dv8 i like not love that's brutal nightmare...not a ball for a stroker...but with coverstock adjustment to 2000 abralon use it occasionally during league.....
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2013, 10:15:40 AM »
Brunswick stuff is great right now. Brawler is a Great ball, the Ringer is a great ball, Strike King Great ball. Maxed Out Great ball. DV8 stuff is awesome as well. It's all about the area you get your stuff drilled and ,who your pro shop person is on staff with and who else they are willing to carry..
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2013, 10:08:58 AM »
Thought I'd chime in on the subject though I rarely do.........

Big B is spending a lot of time and resources into developing their "sister" brands; DV8 and Radical Technologies. Currently those brands are on fire, and bowlers desire the latest and greatest products from those companies. Radical is just unveiling its new lineup, with offset core technologies from the originator himself, Mo Pinel.

So I ask, if you were the decision makers at Brunswick, why would you waste extra resources and marketing capabilities to fight against companies that you already own and oversee, and gain profits from just the same? I think "Big B" is striking while the iron is hot with the other companies, while still producing new products, although not at the same pace as a company like Storm or Columbia.

The Meanstreak Brawler is probably their best ball right now; I actually haven't met a person that doesn't like it and hasn't lined up with it with the correct surface adjustments. It is smooth, transitions well, and hits extremely well. From what I have seen thus far, the Beatdown carries on the tradition but handles volume and length at a much greater margin.

I drilled up the Mystic Aura, my first "high end" Brunswick ball that is their current pro-performance recommendation. Normally, I wait for discount lists and close out products in order to test their high end stuff. The Mystic is much stronger than I anticipated, even with surface adjustments and polish. OOB was far too much, even on medium-heavy tournament conditions. Currently the coverstock is at 1k abralon, with Black Magic polish; it still needs a bunch of head oil to get down the lane.

Big B is playing the game correctly; why eat into buzz and profit margins against your other companies? Sit back, wait, and follow through-- they will start bringing out more balls soon.
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2013, 10:19:43 AM »
The new stuff is performing very well thus far!  The Aura Mystic is a real head turner and currently is my favorite piece!  It has great recovery from the right and is very quick off of friction.  It has a strong snappy ball motion that is rarely seen from a ball that can handle some oil.  Many staffers like myself and bowlers may have not had enough time to get to throw the new stuff just yet.  I believe you will hear more about these pieces and there will be numerous success stories once league season really gets cranked up.  The Meanstreak Beatdown is also very good when the lanes are fresh and there is enough oil for it.  Bowlers may be reluctant to try the Brunswick stuff but they are and have been great performers in the hands of those who use them.  Give Brunswick a try and remember we are here to help in any way we can not to provide false opinions and create empty hype!  The technology is new and has continued to improve over the last few years!  No remakes coming from the boys in Michigan!
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2013, 10:53:16 AM »
Just from what I see, and my own experiences. Brunswick stuff tends to be hit and miss for me. Over the years I have thrown balls from every company, and it seems that in the 90's Brunswick worked awesome for me, but Storm, Columbia, Ebi, etc. not so much. In the past 5-10 years though, it been all Storm/Roto. I seem to match up best with thier cover/core combos the best. Dont get me wrong, there have been a few Storm/Roto Duds (Hyroad, Nomad Dagger, Mars) to name a few, but I have had WAY more success with them than failures.

BTW, for me a ball that I consider a failure is one that I throw several times, change the surface, and cant to get a good read on the lanes. And if I pull something else out, and it works, then the ball goes in the bye bye pile. And I do it with everything I have....
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2013, 04:26:27 PM »
Again, all I can say is look at the buzz over on the Motiv site about the Rage, the Tribal, etc.  Here on Brunswick everybody talks Strike King, Slingshot, and not much else.  Guess we'll have to see how it all shakes out.
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2013, 06:32:11 PM »
I love my Mystic, love the new Endless Nightmare......I'd love some oil to try them on and make a video with......since I'm not seeing that in league or tournaments let me tell you how great the Strike King(s) I have drilled really are...... lol

I have eliminated almost all of my mid to upper level equipment for use during league because I can't use it. My brothers Beatdown just came in today. It looks amazing. I want one. I'm not buying one because I don't need any more balls sitting around waiting for use.

There is likely more people on here that are Motiv fans then Brunswick. In either forums it is most of the same people talking, not any one new. Motiv makes some really pretty bowling balls. I have bought several. I have only loved one. The rest were just ok. Pretty, but ok. Didn't do what I was expecting and worth more to sell then to sit around next to the other dust collectors. This forum is a very small sample of actual bowlers and of sales.

I will be using my Mystic this week. I've changed my release to help with the drier conditions. If not it then it will be my Slingshot. Looking at 17.5 mph up 10 with a lot less tilt.

Just like this, anything with tilt and you will start off crossing 25 at the arrows and hope to stay right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqldpv159bE

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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2013, 10:30:25 AM »
Correct on the mid-to upper level performance from Brunswick; as the Mystic was touted as the most angular Aura in the line-up, I haven't found a house pattern that I can line up to with it. The ball is simply too strong. Now, if I ball down to a Loaded Revolver or possibly a Meanstreak Brawler, that would be fine.

I would think this is similar to the Motiv offerings right now; for league patterns and THS, they work well. But for tournament bowlers and heavier/longer volumes of oil, I think the total lineup of Brunswick offerings is a better fit.

Again, Brunswick isn't just realeasing "Brunswick" balls...... you'll have to add into the equation the forum "hits" and discussions that DV8 and Radical are also offering up.......... and that would be far more "chatter" than is what is currently coming out from the Motiv and similar camps.

Please understand, I am in no way a representative of Brunswick; I am a mercenary when it comes to bowling equipment. Whatever works, is affordable (cheap?) and available to me, thats what I use and am interested in pursuing. But, Brunswick does "measure up"........ just not in the typcial fashion.
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2013, 03:56:43 PM »
My point is made weekly.  The three topics, oops, make that the first dozen topics in this forum bear it out.  Just sayin'.  I've always been a Big B man and will probably be picking up a Meanstreak Brawler or Beatdown to replace the disappointing Nexxxus.  My C 2.5 has a better reaction and hits harder than that flop.  Pro shop op confirmed it when he said many people bought the Nexxxus and dumped it as it went too long before a move, no matter what you did to surface.     
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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2013, 09:52:11 PM »
A little off the subject, but I think the solid Nexxus was the best ball in that series for tournament patterns.  I used it a bunch to win a summer sport singles league last year, and it was the only ball in my bag that gave me a look in the Easter High Roller. 

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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2013, 08:39:21 PM »
+1.  Track has improved substantially.


Track has a good line up now..I think best since the numbers series started.

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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2013, 10:54:28 PM »
For whatever it is worth The Strike King is one of the best dry lane balls you could put in your bag.  I throw 99% storm & roto but storm & roto doesn't make a ball that rolls like a  strike king. I'm sure I can do a little surface and a stronger layout on another strike king that would give me a different look on other conditions.

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Re: New balls not measuring up?
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2013, 11:29:09 PM »
That's funny LGD you say that about the Nexxxus me and a friend thinks its amazing. Its our very underrated best deal under $80 find. Mines at box with a 5 3/4" pin to pap below the bridge and mb by the thumb. (roughly 70x5.75x60) I wanted the pin down to help keep it from being too strong on the backend and the ball is perfect.  It goes loooong but still recovers strong down lane. Its my go to ball as I get to game 2 or 3 and need to move in.

Most bowlers find more success with entry and mid level equipment because it rolls better on THS and drier versus most of the big balls which in many cases don't like most THS shots without making some surface changes.
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