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Cutlass

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Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« on: August 15, 2006, 03:51:30 PM »
I just purchased a Radical Inferno and I need to tell thema  certain pin and top weight. Im just now really getting into what everything means in bowling and right now I need some help. I know what top weight is but not what it does.

How does top weight affect the ball?
For a high rev/high speed two finger bowler which would be best high or low?

And how does pin length affect the ball?


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MegaMav

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2006, 12:57:50 AM »
2-3" pin 2.5 Top

that'll give you flexability for layouts.

too high of a top will restrict where the CG can go thus restricting where the pin can go.
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Cutlass

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2006, 08:56:46 AM »
So if I was getting this ball drilled to be aggressive(pin far right of my ring finger) whats the highest top weight I could get?
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shelley

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2006, 09:45:24 AM »
Depends on the length of the pin.  A 1" pin would force the CG pretty far to the right of the grip, giving you lots of natural side weight.  If you had 4oz of top to start with, you'd need an oil drilling machine to punch the weight hole.

I'd go for slightly lower starting TW, maybe around 2oz.  That way you can put the CG far outside the grip without requiring a huge weight hole.

Lower top weight will make the ball roll ever-so-slightly smoother, but the natural skid-flippiness of the ball shouldn't be impacted in a measurable way.

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Cutlass

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2006, 10:31:14 AM »
Any1 disagree with a 1' pin and 2.5oz top weight?
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MegaMav

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2006, 10:37:07 AM »
what kind of reaction do you want?
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hotshot187

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2006, 10:42:05 AM »
get a radical with a 2-3 inch pin and a top weight of 2.5 to 3.0oz.  This will give your driller plenty of options on layouts.
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hotshot187

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006, 10:44:33 AM »
This was taken from BUDDIES PRO SHOP WEBSITE.  GOT TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.  Description provided by Roger from Roto-Grip - Special Thanks to Him


What is Pin Position and Top weight?
All bowling balls have different pin distances out from the CG and various top weights. Usually your pro shop professional will decide what specifics he wants based on your span, relative to where he wants to place the pin and cg and if he wants to use a balance hole. These specifics aren't necessary for the consumers to choose, but we allow you to pick what you want and we fill all orders exact or as close as possible based on availability.


Pin Distance - The pin distance describes how far the pin and the cg are apart. A pin-in ball is where the pin and cg are any where from 0-1" apart. A pin-out ball is where the pin and cg are any where from 1" + apart.

Example #1:
Balls with a 0-1" pin will get the ball into a slightly earlier roll with slightly less flare potential.

Example #2:
Balls with a 3-4" pin out will give the ball slightly more length and more flare potential than the ball in example 1.

Top Weight - The amount of imbalance placed in the bowling ball to offset the removal of weight from the gripping holes. Average top weight ranges from 2-4 oz.

Example #1:
Balls with 2 oz or less top weight will get the ball into a slightly earlier roll.

Example #2
Balls with 2 oz or more top weight will give the ball slightly more length than the ball in example 1.

 
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shelley

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2006, 10:50:41 AM »
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Any1 disagree with a 1' pin and 2.5oz top weight?


I wasn't very clear, I guess.  I didn't mean to imply that you should get a 1" pin.  Just that if that's what you got, you might have a hard time doing what you want.

As the other posters suggested, I'd go with 2-3" or 3-4".  3-4" would let you put the pin slightly higher above the midline and would let you move the CG back towards the grip to reduce side weight while still putting the pin away from the grip.

Edit: A 1' pin would be a blem.    Better to mark the anti-pin in that case and turn the ball upside down.

SH

Edited on 8/16/2006 10:45 AM
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Cutlass

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 11:12:13 AM »
Well let me say what I am looking for first. From what Ive read on the Radical, it seems as though it has plenty of length and alot of backend(like they said it would have). I have alot of speed and revs so I dont think I want it drilled long cuz I have my vapor zone drilled to go long and alot of times if im not careful it can go too long and thru the breakpoint(unless the lanes are a bit dry). So I was thinking of getting as much backend out of the Radical as possible without slowing down my speed. I am a cranker that rolls the ball(i dont toss it) with a lots revs(due to me being a two-finger bowler) and alot of speed.

So what top weight and pin length do you all suggest now?

And thanks a ton for all the feedback you all are giving me and the info.
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MegaMav

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 04:17:00 PM »
2-3" pin 2.0-2.5 Top Weight.

End of discussion.
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shelley

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 04:20:33 PM »
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2-3" pin 2.0-2.5 Top Weight.

End of discussion.


It's easy to do almost anything you want with a ball like that.  If you're going for a pretty standard drilling or reaction, you can do anything.

A caveat, though.  If you're having trouble with a long, angular VZ and throwing it through the breakpoint, I can only see the Radical as being worse in that regard.  That's a common problem for skid-snap, polished pearls.  Without good dry boards to grab, they'll skate even on modest amounts of oil.

SH
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Cutlass

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 04:37:10 PM »
Thats why I wnated to get everything in the way of etting the most hook out of this ball.

Thx for everthing guys!

2.0-2.5 oz Top weight and I will ask for 3 3/8" pin but tell him 3-4" is ok.

Now one last question: For the most hook should I get it drilled to have the pin right of the ring finger?
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 Radical Inferno(In route)
 Vapor Zone
 Colombia 300 Messenger TI Pearl
 Brunswick High Intensity Spare Ball
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hotshot187

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 04:49:35 PM »
3 3/8 x 3 3/8 is a drilling.  Are you saying u want 3 3/8 inch pin?
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shelley

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Re: Pin and Top weight? Radical Inferno
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 05:14:02 PM »
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2.0-2.5 oz Top weight and I will ask for 3 3/8" pin but tell him 3-4" is ok.

Now one last question: For the most hook should I get it drilled to have the pin right of the ring finger?


I agree with hotshot, you're getting pin length and pin-to-PAP confused.  The pin length (2-3", 3-4", and so on) is the separation between the pin and CG mark.  The range is just because that's how they group them, the length will fall somewhere in between those numbers.

The "most" hook (whatever that means) is usually obtained by putting the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP.  That doesn't really have anything to do with the pin-CG distance.  No matter the pin length (within some reason), you can put the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP.

The recommendation of a 2-3" (or 3-4") pin and 2-2.5oz of top weight will allow you to put the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP, put the CG almost anywhere you want to, and not have a crater of a weight hole or too much finger/thumb weight.

SH

Edited on 8/16/2006 5:15 PM
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