Post by: Cutlass on August 15, 2006, 03:51:30 PM
How does top weight affect the ball?
For a high rev/high speed two finger bowler which would be best high or low?
And how does pin length affect the ball?
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Post by: MegaMav on August 16, 2006, 12:57:50 AM
that'll give you flexability for layouts.
too high of a top will restrict where the CG can go thus restricting where the pin can go.
Post by: Cutlass on August 16, 2006, 08:56:46 AM
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Post by: shelley on August 16, 2006, 09:45:24 AM
I'd go for slightly lower starting TW, maybe around 2oz. That way you can put the CG far outside the grip without requiring a huge weight hole.
Lower top weight will make the ball roll ever-so-slightly smoother, but the natural skid-flippiness of the ball shouldn't be impacted in a measurable way.
SH
Post by: Cutlass on August 16, 2006, 10:31:14 AM
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Vapor Zone
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Brunswick High Intensity Spare Ball
Post by: MegaMav on August 16, 2006, 10:37:07 AM
Post by: hotshot187 on August 16, 2006, 10:42:05 AM
Post by: hotshot187 on August 16, 2006, 10:44:33 AM
What is Pin Position and Top weight?
All bowling balls have different pin distances out from the CG and various top weights. Usually your pro shop professional will decide what specifics he wants based on your span, relative to where he wants to place the pin and cg and if he wants to use a balance hole. These specifics aren't necessary for the consumers to choose, but we allow you to pick what you want and we fill all orders exact or as close as possible based on availability.
Pin Distance - The pin distance describes how far the pin and the cg are apart. A pin-in ball is where the pin and cg are any where from 0-1" apart. A pin-out ball is where the pin and cg are any where from 1" + apart.
Example #1:
Balls with a 0-1" pin will get the ball into a slightly earlier roll with slightly less flare potential.
Example #2:
Balls with a 3-4" pin out will give the ball slightly more length and more flare potential than the ball in example 1.
Top Weight - The amount of imbalance placed in the bowling ball to offset the removal of weight from the gripping holes. Average top weight ranges from 2-4 oz.
Example #1:
Balls with 2 oz or less top weight will get the ball into a slightly earlier roll.
Example #2
Balls with 2 oz or more top weight will give the ball slightly more length than the ball in example 1.
Post by: shelley on August 16, 2006, 10:50:41 AM
quote:
Any1 disagree with a 1' pin and 2.5oz top weight?
I wasn't very clear, I guess. I didn't mean to imply that you should get a 1" pin. Just that if that's what you got, you might have a hard time doing what you want.
As the other posters suggested, I'd go with 2-3" or 3-4". 3-4" would let you put the pin slightly higher above the midline and would let you move the CG back towards the grip to reduce side weight while still putting the pin away from the grip.
Edit: A 1' pin would be a blem.
Better to mark the anti-pin in that case and turn the ball upside down.SH
Edited on 8/16/2006 10:45 AM
Post by: Cutlass on August 16, 2006, 11:12:13 AM
So what top weight and pin length do you all suggest now?
And thanks a ton for all the feedback you all are giving me and the info.
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Vapor Zone
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Brunswick High Intensity Spare Ball
Post by: MegaMav on August 16, 2006, 04:17:00 PM
End of discussion.
Post by: shelley on August 16, 2006, 04:20:33 PM
quote:
2-3" pin 2.0-2.5 Top Weight.
End of discussion.
It's easy to do almost anything you want with a ball like that. If you're going for a pretty standard drilling or reaction, you can do anything.
A caveat, though. If you're having trouble with a long, angular VZ and throwing it through the breakpoint, I can only see the Radical as being worse in that regard. That's a common problem for skid-snap, polished pearls. Without good dry boards to grab, they'll skate even on modest amounts of oil.
SH
Post by: Cutlass on August 16, 2006, 04:37:10 PM
Thx for everthing guys!
2.0-2.5 oz Top weight and I will ask for 3 3/8" pin but tell him 3-4" is ok.
Now one last question: For the most hook should I get it drilled to have the pin right of the ring finger?
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Brunswick High Intensity Spare Ball
Post by: hotshot187 on August 16, 2006, 04:49:35 PM
Post by: shelley on August 16, 2006, 05:14:02 PM
quote:
2.0-2.5 oz Top weight and I will ask for 3 3/8" pin but tell him 3-4" is ok.
Now one last question: For the most hook should I get it drilled to have the pin right of the ring finger?
I agree with hotshot, you're getting pin length and pin-to-PAP confused. The pin length (2-3", 3-4", and so on) is the separation between the pin and CG mark. The range is just because that's how they group them, the length will fall somewhere in between those numbers.
The "most" hook (whatever that means) is usually obtained by putting the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP. That doesn't really have anything to do with the pin-CG distance. No matter the pin length (within some reason), you can put the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP.
The recommendation of a 2-3" (or 3-4") pin and 2-2.5oz of top weight will allow you to put the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP, put the CG almost anywhere you want to, and not have a crater of a weight hole or too much finger/thumb weight.
SH
Edited on 8/16/2006 5:15 PM
Post by: hotshot187 on August 16, 2006, 05:16:08 PM
Post by: MegaMav on August 16, 2006, 05:17:08 PM
quote:
2-2.5oz of top weight
just a small correction...
Post by: shelley on August 16, 2006, 05:21:14 PM
quote:quote:
2-2.5oz of top weight
just a small correction...
I don't know what you're talking about.
SH
Post by: Cutlass on August 16, 2006, 11:22:15 PM
If I told the ball driller that I wanted it drilled as aggressive as the ball allows what would that look like?
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p = Pin
But I have no clue where the CG would go. Is that kind of what where the pin would go?
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Post by: Hand of God on August 17, 2006, 01:39:00 AM
Do you mean you already got the ball?
If so the box will tell you the top weight and pin length on the ball.
Don't get confused thinking you can tell the driller what pin and top weight you need, each ball you buy already has these specs.
Understand?
Post by: Cutlass on August 17, 2006, 01:42:20 AM
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Scorchin' Inferno
Radical Inferno(In route)
Vapor Zone
Colombia 300 Messenger TI Pearl
Brunswick High Intensity Spare Ball
Post by: DanR on August 17, 2006, 03:26:00 AM
Post by: leftehh- LG on August 17, 2006, 03:27:21 AM
quote:
I think I understand now..... 2.0-2.5oz top weight and 3-4" pin.
If I told the ball driller that I wanted it drilled as aggressive as the ball allows what would that look like?
----O--------
------O----P--
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-----0-------
p = Pin
But I have no clue where the CG would go. Is that kind of what where the pin would go?
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Scorchin' Inferno
Radical Inferno(In route)
Vapor Zone
Colombia 300 Messenger TI Pearl
Brunswick High Intensity Spare Ball
The CG is just a weight hole indicator.. it looks like he's giving you stacked leverage, so the CG should be right under the pin
Edited on 8/17/2006 3:22 AM
Post by: Cutlass on August 17, 2006, 09:54:54 AM
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Radical Inferno(In route)
Vapor Zone
Colombia 300 Messenger TI Pearl
Brunswick High Intensity Spare Ball
Post by: Wallshot on August 17, 2006, 02:18:16 PM
Don't get too hung up on all this. Requst a 2-3" pin and 2-3.5 top weight and your driller can do the rest after you tell him the kind of reaction you're looking for.