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Barbarian2990

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Plastic
« on: April 25, 2009, 07:27:02 AM »
Im looking for a plastic ball that dosent hook at all or very close to nothing i have a white dot that always hooks right at the end to miss the ten pin. i was looking at the blue dot seen a couple of those they just flat out dont hook just wondering what you guys thought.
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J_Mac

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2009, 03:50:24 PM »
I know this might sound odd, but why don't you try sanding your current plastic ball with 600 grit wet-dry sandpaper.

This effectively kills it's capability to hook right at the end.
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J_w73

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2009, 04:37:46 PM »
if you sand it down it will smooth it out and eliminate the hook at the end.. but the ball may try to hook earlier ..

you could also take it to 4000 abralon.. polish it with some 3500 grit storm polish.. and put some ebonite delay reaction.. that should kill it from doing anything....
I would try that first instead of getting a new ball..
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themagician

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2009, 04:54:04 PM »
I have found white dots to hook like hell for plastic after they get a track in them. It takes an actual resurface and then taking it to a really high grit then using a polish with a slip agent to get them back to going straight.



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J_w73

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2009, 11:24:40 PM »
about the bloue dots also.. I have heard the blue dots that are made now are almost the same as the white dots..

back in the day the blue dots were alot harder and would hardly hook on any condition..

It would be interesting if someone made a ball that wouldn't hook at all.. even on stripped lanes.. not sure if it is possible but with the technology today you would think it could be done..
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themagician

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2009, 11:26:35 PM »
If you are comparing the plastics the Blue Dots are the same as White Dots according to a very reliable rep. Right now the Ice Storm is the hardest plastic ball on the market.
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Re: Plastic
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2009, 08:10:40 AM »
Slip agents and Delayed Reaction doesn't work on plastic balls. Those polishes help prevent oil absorption. Oil absorption is one way that helps resin balls to hook. Plastic/polyester balls hook just from the surface and rev rate, not from flare and rapid oil absorption. Using these polishes is a waste on polyester balls.

Many polyester balls are sanded to 600 grit and then polished. So finer sandings, like to 2000 grit Abralon and 4000 grit Abralon and then using a strong dose of polish will help most of all.

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fluff33

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2009, 08:20:43 AM »
My wife's ball speed is about 10 mph and she uses a clear Black Widow that I keep polished with Finesse-It.  As slow as she rolls it she only gets about a 2 board break.  Works better on plastic than any of the bowling polishes.
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J_w73

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2009, 10:17:15 AM »
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Slip agents and Delayed Reaction doesn't work on plastic balls. Those polishes help prevent oil absorption. Oil absorption is one way that helps resin balls to hook. Plastic/polyester balls hook just from the surface and rev rate, not from flare and rapid oil absorption. Using these polishes is a waste on polyester balls.

Many polyester balls are sanded to 600 grit and then polished. So finer sandings, like to 2000 grit Abralon and 4000 grit Abralon and then using a strong dose of polish will help most of all.

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I would understand the oil absorbtion part but I would think the slip agent would work on the surface to reduce the hook .. you might have to reapply it every round of bowling though..

I use it on my slate blue gargoyle urethane and it kills the hook quite a bit..
I know this is urethane and not plastic so I don't know what the difference would be..
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J_w73

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Re: Plastic
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2009, 10:21:04 AM »
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If you are comparing the plastics the Blue Dots are the same as White Dots according to a very reliable rep. Right now the Ice Storm is the hardest plastic ball on the market.
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is there a difference between the ice storm balls that say ice storm on them vs just ice..or is this just another side of the ball

http://akillershot.com/product.asp?P_ID=1152

http://www.ballcellar.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=STORM%20ICE%20STORM
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Re: Plastic
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 04:02:09 AM »
The current Blue Dots are just as hard/straight as normal White Dots. It is just the brand name, and the looks. I just have seen some Blue Dot remakes in Japan that have the original hardness - maybe from ABS, not sure.

The Ice Storm is definitively harder and has less traction than, say, a Target Zone - that's why I got one. With my standard spare release (wrist broken back, thumb turned out for a kind of full roller) I found the Ice Storm hook 2-3 boards less in the back end than a standard 78-80 hardness rating polyester. Does not sound much, but it definitively has less traction. I also enhance this with a frequent good coat of car wax polish.

Other hard ball I remember are the Arrow from Lanemasters, and Storm's Aqua Spare, both in the near 90 hardness ratings.
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