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PowrKoil17

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Power Groove Line
« on: January 08, 2010, 03:54:55 AM »
Can anyone tell me why Brunswick doesn't revamp the Power Groove Line. Why do they offer something like 5 balls with no real difference between them other than color(I believe they are all solids). If I am wrong on the previous statement please correct me. This ball line has a great coverstock in the PowrKoil 17. I would like to see them come up with a true pearl, to go along with the DryR and the Solid versions. Maybe throw the Sapphire Zone Core in it. I have both of the Sapphire Zones and a Power Groove, and love all three. I realize the Power Groove line is entry level, but it seems like the easiest to change. Basically I want Brunswick to reinvent the Sapphire Zone.
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johns811

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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 12:00:57 PM »
I believe some are solids and some are pearls. The brunswick site has them listed like that.  

At one point they had a particle and particle pearl but those are long gone. The urethane is just a pancake block I think.
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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 12:02:01 PM »

The black/purple is a solid. The rest are pearls, except the urethane version. Perhaps one of the Avalanches may fit?




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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho

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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 03:12:48 PM »
They are designed to give some hook at a low price for people moving up from plastic house balls.

They are entry level performance balls for bowlers who are as interested in the color of their ball as in the reaction. The color choices are intended to allow the bowlers to individualize their look.

The trade off in these balls is a low price with a pancake plus puck(s)core design that gives a more loping motion to the ball, compared to more sophisticated weight blocks.

Once the bowler graduates from these balls they can move on up to the Avalanche or something similar - or you can skip them all together.

Tell Brunswick you want them to re-make the Sapphire Zone in the Avalanche Series. The intended purpose of the Avalanche balls is to use proven cores and coverstocks so this would fit in with that goal.

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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 05:11:16 PM »
If Brunswick were to remake the Sapphire Zone, I wouldn't care what ball line they place it in, but given the coverstock (PowrKoil 17)I just thought it would fit into the Power Groove line. Also, the Power Groove is a lot stronger ball than it is given credit for.

The Avalanches use the PowrKoil 18 coverstock. Maybe  Brunswick should come up with the "Retro Line" instead. This line could include the Danger Zone, Sapphire Zone, and maybe the Rhino in some sort of way.
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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 05:48:36 PM »
If you like the look that a Saphire Zone gave you, you should at least try the Avalanche Solid. Not dead on, but as close as you'll see.

By the way, every company's entry level line of balls consists of one design with multiple color choices.

I do like the "Retro" ball line idea. Not so sure we'd sell enough of each ball to make it worthwhile, but it is a novel idea.

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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 06:04:32 PM »
I think it worth Brunswick's time and effort to make these balls. Maybe as special order only. How similar are the PowrKoil 17 and 18 coverstocks. Is the difference noticeable?
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LotsaBalls

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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 07:04:26 PM »
As long as we are on the retro topic who would like to see some of the earlier asymmetric cores brought back into an upper midprice line. Those were some of the best balls I have ever had, my red zone is still in my bag and I have drill at least a 100 balls since I drill that ball.
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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 01:15:21 AM »
The Sapphire Zone and The Pearl version(Blue Ice) Would be perfect for the next in the avalanche series.

Not to crazy of a core with a proven coverstock. Or just modify the avalanche/rhino core to give you the similar numbers from the Zone series with the PK17 and PK18 cover.

Mainly a little lower RG then the Avalanche. I would buy at least one of each right now.(probably more though)
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Brandon Riley

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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 03:05:24 AM »
I would love to see older symmetric zone cores in a couple of midrange balls.  
However, i think what B really needs is a higher rg symmetric in either the snake or wild line.  Something that would compare more to what storm has done with the thunder line.
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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 06:50:17 AM »
The difference between PK 17  & PK 18, on todays oils & harder lane surfaces, is minor at best.

Back in the mid 90's when these covers came out, better players could see some differences. But in todays environment, I dare say that VERY FEW people could see a difference, all things being equal (i.e. core, drilling, coverstock prep, etc.).

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I think it worth Brunswick's time and effort to make these balls. Maybe as special order only. How similar are the PowrKoil 17 and 18 coverstocks. Is the difference noticeable?

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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 08:05:37 AM »
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The difference between PK 17  & PK 18, on todays oils & harder lane surfaces, is minor at best.

Back in the mid 90's when these covers came out, better players could see some differences. But in todays environment, I dare say that VERY FEW people could see a difference, all things being equal (i.e. core, drilling, coverstock prep, etc.).

I think it worth Brunswick's time and effort to make these balls. Maybe as special order only. How similar are the PowrKoil 17 and 18 coverstocks. Is the difference noticeable?


Im an avid user of PowrKoil17 and PowrKoil18 (Original & Current), the reaction shape may be similar, but how each handles oil volume is night and day. PowrKoil17 on todays oils just flat out cant cut it. PowrKoil18 continues to show why it was a coverstock ahead of its time.
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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2010, 02:06:20 PM »
PK17 and the lowest price point asymmetrical core ball on the market... I've done testing with these on a DeTerminator and made a Blue/Ivory hook off the lane for a buddy of mine.
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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 05:47:41 PM »
There was something to the Blue/ivory because a friend of mine had one and that ball was impressive.

I had the gold/copper one and wasn't impressed. The proactive/pearl plum on the other hand was amazing.
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Re: Power Groove Line
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2010, 07:59:13 PM »
Proactive Plum was by far my favorite of the bunch...
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