Post by: mj79 on April 11, 2010, 07:08:08 AM
Diamond back PAP 3 3/4 right x 3/4 down
5 1/2 x 3 1/2
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Post by: RSalas on April 11, 2010, 03:16:29 PM
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Post by: mj79 on April 11, 2010, 03:23:50 PM
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I'd consider splitting the difference and going with either the Avalanche Slide or the Green/Black Avalanche, as they'd give you the length you're seeking, with a bit more pop at the break than the Slingshot.
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Hmm never even considered the avalanches, I DID want to stick with the rattler because it has the same coverstock and seems to compliment the DB well.. But on the other hand it seems like it would also play similar.. I wish Instead of the DB I would have got a siege, just to open up the options little more, since the DB seems like its so "mid" level its a little tougher to get a good trio of balls that are all different , for example .. Siege, Rattler, slingshot
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Post by: Martman on April 11, 2010, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: baer300 on April 11, 2010, 05:54:44 PM
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Post by: mj79 on April 11, 2010, 06:12:25 PM
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I agree with Ray. The Avalanche line would be a great idea. The Rattler will be a little much and the Slingshot may not be enough. The Siege, Rattler and Slingshot would be a decent line up though. The Avalanches will give you more length but less mid lane than the Rattler. If you drilled the Rattler a little weaker this could possibly work since you want to stay with the Rattler. The only problem is that your DB is already drilled pretty mild so I am not sure that the Rattler will be much different other than getting through the front part of the lane cleaner. Hope this helps... In case you are wondering the Avalanches are alot of bang for the buck.
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yea that makes sense.. Im starting to throw a little different after a few hrs on the lanes with one of the local coaches to get my swing back, and my PAP seems to be changing a bit as I continue to keep my hand under the ball more and get my thumb out a bit quicker.. The 3 3/4 PAP I had was really coming up the side of the ball , SO Im probably gonna wait until I become consistent again..
That said , I really do like the 3 ball combo I listed and still might try, but i do desperately need a low oil ball that is not similar to my DB.. I threw a friends freeze ( which might be close to a avalanche, ) and that looked alot like my DB, Just not as aggressive mid lane..
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Post by: baer300 on April 11, 2010, 07:48:51 PM
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Post by: mj79 on April 11, 2010, 08:18:07 PM
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I lovw that you are trying to get better instead of just buying that ball for the heck of it. I believe I read before that you are just getting back into the game and getting better should always be the first and foremost.
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Yessir, Just started back again about a month ago for the first time in 4 + years. Man, I must be getting old if im sore after 4-6 games of bowling!
anyways I love the DB, and my t zone is great for the 6 and 10
as of now I can feel a change in my release and Im at about 4 1/2 PAP right now , And it feels very natural , so I dont think it will change much.. But I do like the rattler, and the slingshot especially for the price.Is the rattler just a more aggressive angular medium oil ball compared to the light oil rather smooth slingshot?
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Post by: baer300 on April 11, 2010, 08:33:45 PM
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I lovw that you are trying to get better instead of just buying that ball for the heck of it. I believe I read before that you are just getting back into the game and getting better should always be the first and foremost.
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Yessir, Just started back again about a month ago for the first time in 4 + years. Man, I must be getting old if im sore after 4-6 games of bowling!
anyways I love the DB, and my t zone is great for the 6 and 10
Is the rattler just a more aggressive angular medium oil ball compared to the light oil rather smooth slingshot?
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Yes the Rattler will be stronger in the mids and more on the backend. Similar motion over all is what I am seeing the Rattler just being stronger. I know alot of people see the Rattler being pretty angular but both of mine were strong arc off the spot.
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Post by: mj79 on April 11, 2010, 08:41:57 PM
The only reason I actually want a polished is so I can keep close to the same line as my DB ( around the 20 board ) and it will be able to get through the midlane mess for the drier stuff..
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Post by: averagebowler on April 12, 2010, 12:39:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zm3tJSTyXE&playnext_from=TL&videos=IaNksn3a9fM
Post by: mj79 on April 12, 2010, 12:59:21 AM
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what about a four all combo? i have the siege pin under no weight hole, 3.5 pin under with weight hole, a 2.5 pin above ring finger then thinking of getting a slingshot pin above fingers. im' about 11-12 mph per hour. here's my video if anyone is interested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zm3tJSTyXE&playnext_from=TL&videos=IaNksn3a9fM
Yea man we have COMPLETELY different styles
And to me it seems like your 2.5 , 3.5 and siege are way to close to each other.. They are all heavy oil balls and hook monsters..--------------------
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Post by: mj79 on April 12, 2010, 01:03:06 AM
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Post by: mj79 on April 12, 2010, 06:08:27 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on April 12, 2010, 06:22:48 PM
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whats the reaction difference between the siege , 2.5 and 3.5
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The 3.5 is stronger and handles a higher volume of oil than the 2.5.
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Post by: mj79 on April 12, 2010, 06:24:43 PM
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whats the reaction difference between the siege , 2.5 and 3.5
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The 3.5 is stronger and handles a higher volume of oil than the 2.5.
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as far as reaction are the 2.5 and 3.5 the same tho? and how does the siege fit in there.. I havent thrown either of these so its tough to tell just off videos
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Post by: baer300 on April 13, 2010, 01:03:18 PM
Now the Siege handles oil very well and has more of the motion like your Diamonback. It has a smoother transition from the oil to the dry. If you were bowling on a heavier longer pattern you could start with the Siege and keep your angles tighter. Once that spot starts to burn you could then go to a 3.5 and send it to the burn spot for more anle down lane. Then when that starts to hook to much you could then switch to the 2.5 and use this for less hook.
The Siege and 3.5 to me handle the heavier volumes about the same just the 3.5 just turns a little harder down lane. Hope this helps and doesn't confuse you more.
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Post by: mj79 on April 13, 2010, 01:09:30 PM
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MJ, The 2.5 and 3.5 do have a slightly simliar motion. The 3.5 does have more midlane and a little more pop off the spot. The 3.5 will also handle oil better than the 2.5. A good comparison would be somebody starting with the 3.5 on like Shark or Scorpion patterns and when they begin to burn you could go to the 2.5 for less hook. I have the 2.5 about 6 boards less than my 3.5.
Now the Siege handles oil very well and has more of the motion like your Diamonback. It has a smoother transition from the oil to the dry. If you were bowling on a heavier longer pattern you could start with the Siege and keep your angles tighter. Once that spot starts to burn you could then go to a 3.5 and send it to the burn spot for more anle down lane. Then when that starts to hook to much you could then switch to the 2.5 and use this for less hook.
The Siege and 3.5 to me handle the heavier volumes about the same just the 3.5 just turns a little harder down lane. Hope this helps and doesn't confuse you more.
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No i got it
Sounds good man, Like I was saying I just want to have a good spot for my DB in the mix, and if I got a siege or a c system, didnt want it to take place of the DB.. But also did want to get a drier oil ball to fit in the mix there as well..--------------------
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Post by: averagebowler on April 13, 2010, 01:35:48 PM
Post by: mj79 on April 13, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
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