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themachine300

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Radical Issues
« on: September 12, 2006, 06:01:08 AM »
Well...got a 3-4" pin 2.9 oz. top weight Radical a few days ago and punched it up last night.  Uses the same layout on my Absolute Inferno except i didn't put the extra hole in this one.  My absolute is pin over the ring 4 1/2" away from pap with small flare reduction weight hole.  I believe the radical came out with 1/2 oz. negative weight on it, but not sure...Will post when i find out.

Here's the problem....Threw the two together last night along with my vapor zone (4x4 pin over ring shined) and WAS NOT IMPRESSED.  I was expecting it to go longer than my Absolute.. and turn the corner harder.  Well, it does go longer but when it turns the corner..dies on me and rolls out for a bucket shot.  The Absolute reads the lane a little earlier, smoother and finishes strong.  Oil pattern was THS with medium backends.  The Radical just skates in the oil, which i liked but never ever turned the corner.  I had to play much straighter up the dry to get the ball to carry.  When i moved in and threw it to the dry...Again gets down the lane and arcs of the dry but never finishes.  My Vapor Zone is a super flippy ball with the shine and it turned the corner just fine playing in...along with the Absolute playing a little futher right..reading sooner and arcing nicely.

Tried a surface change to 1000 abralon which helped a little.  Got the ball to arc more but still was inconsistent and constant weak hits.  I should probably put the hole in it to try and fix the reaction...With negative weight it reads eariler right? Not exactly sure...Any suggestions??

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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2006, 02:05:21 PM »
Where was the cg that you had negative side weight?
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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2006, 02:08:08 PM »
Almost stacked, a little left prob 1/2"
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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2006, 02:13:34 PM »
Well, if he used the same layout as he did for another one of his balls then his layout should be fine.  the thing with this ball, its either you love it or your hate it.  I for one didnt care for it much and sold it away with no more than 10 games on it.

The cover adjustment is supposed to help this ball a lot, but if you still had a hard time then sell it while its still hot.  While I am a person of first impressions, the Radical was not a good first impression for me and Brunswick, though the Red Zone is still a ball that I'd really like to try.  Maybe you could still sell your Radical while its still hot and invest in a Red Zone instead.
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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2006, 02:21:23 PM »
Maybe the cg was mismarked.  Sounds almost like you're getting the hook-set reaction many guys with revs get from a label-leverage type drill on a strong ball.  If you are already at 1/2 negative, you really can't go with a weight hole.  I'd have to see for myself to be sure, but I'd say get a definite answer on the side weight before anything else.  Some claim this ball is like the Smokin' Inferno, but stronger.  The Smokin' did not work well with a lot of people who loved the Absolute.  First thing I would do for now is sand off the polish and use Rough Buff and some other compound.  It with get a better midlane read than polish.
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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2006, 03:51:53 PM »
I would give the cover a few games to break in.  That seems to be the track record over the past few years with bwick covers.  

Secondly, I threw the radical and it didn't jump for me either.  I expected it to fly, but my rampage did alot more on the backend.  As with any skid/snap ball, it is going to be condition specific.  

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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 07:17:24 PM »
I like most of you did not like the ball when I first drilled it. Like most
of my stuff the pin is drilled out in the ring finger or pin above the fingers because I track so high. Before last Wed night I had used this ball at several houses, including a PBA Regional qualifier. During practice at the qualifier I lightly scuffed the track with a worn-out green scotch brite pad and had great success from that point on. Shot +200 for nine games but they only paid one spot in the event and I was 20 pins short.

On 9/6/2006 took the Radical to my one and only league I am bowling this year and shot:
279(4 pin in the 4th)
265(6/7/9 in the 10th)
256
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I was really excited about the series until they announced a buddy of mine down at he low end of the house who shot 836 with a Red Zone. I really do like the reaction after the cover modification.....

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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 09:03:31 PM »
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I would give the cover a few games to break in.  That seems to be the track record over the past few years with bwick covers.  

Secondly, I threw the radical and it didn't jump for me either.  I expected it to fly, but my rampage did alot more on the backend.  As with any skid/snap ball, it is going to be condition specific.  

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I agreed with you, Andrew. Some Big B balls do need to break in and hopefully this is one of them. Have one, not many success playing inside line, only can play outer line and got some very good scores.
But have be practicing playing the inner line with it for a while and the ball might have tracked a little and now the hit is much better. Hopefully it will keep getting better. Seems like you need to have some patience with it.
On the other hand, heard many good things about the Red Zone, just feel like getting one but $$$ so have to wait..


 

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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2006, 10:31:44 PM »
Weighed it out at my home center...1/2 negative weight.  Kinda weird with the layout but threw it again...same reaction.  Oh well...
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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2006, 11:31:22 PM »
machine, post a pic if you can.  I'd like to see where the cg is.  I would have recommended you layout the ball with at least 3/4 oz of POS side weight.  Why?  First off, the 3/4 oz positive would have made the ball more aggressive at the breakpoint.  Having 1/2 oz of neg will cause the ball to hook sooner and less angular than you probably wanted.  

Did you convey your feelings to the driller?  Is he competent?(driller:  if you read this, please do not take offense, I've seen some jacked up stuff)  Lets start from the beginning.

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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2006, 06:43:36 PM »
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machine, post a pic if you can.  I'd like to see where the cg is.  I would have recommended you layout the ball with at least 3/4 oz of POS side weight.  Why?  First off, the 3/4 oz positive would have made the ball more aggressive at the breakpoint.  Having 1/2 oz of neg will cause the ball to hook sooner and less angular than you probably wanted.  

Did you convey your feelings to the driller?  Is he competent?(driller:  if you read this, please do not take offense, I've seen some jacked up stuff)  Lets start from the beginning.

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Can get a pic tmrw...Had Jerry Horn drill it for me he's a PBA south regional champ and has drilled all my other stuff for me before and they all rolled awesome...I throw whatever he punches for me and have loved everything so far
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Re: Radical Issues
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2006, 12:00:26 AM »
Trust me, I wasn't trying to be rude to your driller or call him incompetent.  

Lets see the pic!

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