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And1_headach

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RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« on: July 10, 2006, 07:17:24 AM »
ive recently switched my equipment to brunswick in search for better. i have realized that the zone line, pk18 and the mushroom type block suite my style. i was so excited to try out 14 years of equipment from the zone line that i have missed out on. but to my surprise im finding alot of brunswicks equipment is just being re-released. i have looked at the Monster Bruiser, which compares well to the rampage. i have also looked at the SmashR and that compares well to the Wizard/Nemesis. just an observation i have noticed and was wondering if anyone has had similar observations?
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2006, 03:31:36 PM »
I don't think those balls are necessarily that similar.  The Bruiser was a solid while the Rampage is a pearl, and the Bruiser core had a lower RG than the Rampage's.  The Bruiser should be earlier and smoother than the Rampage.

The SmashR and Nemesis/Wizard, I might see a good comparison.  Both dull solid PK18 with medium RGs and diffs.  If I had one and wanted something different, I wouldn't get the other.  If I wanted to replace a SmashR, the Nemesis/Wizard should be quite comparable.  By the numbers, the Nemesis/Wizard are stronger.

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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2006, 03:35:11 PM »
The SmashR/Brusier/Nemesis is a ball reaction that is needed and sells well, and will always be in the lineup.
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And1_headach

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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2006, 12:50:24 AM »
im just wondering how much new equipment has actually come out...
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2006, 01:05:49 AM »
If I remember correctly, the core from the Bruiser was the core from back in the Quantum days.  Brunswick really has not re-released any of the older stuff from the mid 1990s to 2000.  Track and Columbia just about started that whole thing with the re-release of the Red Pulse and Heat "Remake".  Also, Track Slash and Solution Power Plus were very close to the Triton Elite.  I am sure there are others.  But, those are the ones that come to mind.
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 01:51:06 AM »
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The SmashR/Brusier/Nemesis is a ball reaction that is needed and sells well, and will always be in the lineup.


That's it, and Brunswick is good at this. When you take a look at the BVP range in their comparison chart, for example, you will find those balls making up a nice and complementary ball arsenal in OOB condition.

The new Red Zone is another child of this policy: it fills the gap of the discontinued ZC and IZ with minimal effort.

Besides, the wheel has not to be re-invented with every new ball. "Under" the ever snappier high performance balls there has to be some space for "tamer" equipment that matches certain players' styles and purses, and using proven technology and even old cores is IMHO not a bad thing - unless you try to convincfe the public differently by marketing (e. g. Elite balls, but that's another topic).

Personally, I am sure that the original Danger Zone (polished PK18 solid, med RG core, higher differential) would be a good ball for me, too, even today.
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2006, 02:08:46 AM »
Speaking of the DZ, the Vapor Zone has the same core made asym, and has the same cover as one of the Infernos. So there IS a difference! lol.
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2006, 12:15:44 PM »
i realize there is a difference. but a very small difference. they just tweak somthing and there is a new ball...
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2006, 12:26:43 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but...isn't the Wizard intended to *replace* the Nemesis, and not *compete* with it?  If so, then what's wrong with the Wizard having a similar reaction characteristic?
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2006, 12:29:31 PM »
I recently purchased at Nationals a Danger Zone Remake and it is pretty awesome on todays wetter conditions than when it first came out.  My personal game has evolved I am sure, but when the DZ's first came out they way to early for me to use.   I now have a DZ with a Smokin' Inferno as a two ball set that covers really nice the oil/med to med/light range.

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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2006, 12:30:35 PM »
and 1,

What you may not realize, though, is that just about every company, minus one or two, are doing this sort of thing.  Call it a "mix and match" if you will.  Reason....there is only 60 feet of lane in which to bowl on.  Just about every company has already released cores that rev up so early you risk the ball dying and rolling out.  They have already come out with covers that are so aggressive that if you do not have the ball speed, good luck getting the ball down the lane.  We have already reached a point where balls can literally flare around the entire surface (from one side of the grip to the other).  So what is happening, is companies are taking older technology, or high end balls from the late 90s, and releasing them into a mid performance catagory as current higher end equipment runs circles around the older stuff.  The real problem, is that companies have released balls as such as fast rate, that they have just about run out of options as to what they can do to a bowling ball.  The only question is.....can the bowling centers lay out heavier amounts of oil to keep up with and warrant the use of the newer technology?  Remains to be seen.
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2006, 02:33:48 PM »
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but...isn't the Wizard intended to *replace* the Nemesis, and not *compete* with it?  If so, then what's wrong with the Wizard having a similar reaction characteristic?


You are correct.  The Wizard is the replacement for the Nemesis.  As the website says, dull solid reactives (especially dull solid PK18) is a very popular reaction.  Controllable because of the amount of surface while still retaining a strong backend because of the reactive cover.

The only controversy is that according to the numbers, it is no more than a differently-colored Nemesis.  Brunswick maintains otherwise, and that people should throw both to see the difference.  Personally, I'd like to see that data and if that's really the case, change the numbers to reflect it.  Also, it doesn't bother me one bit if it's the same ball with a different color scheme.  They do that with the PGs every year.  I'd have a problem with a pro shop telling someone to buy a Wizard knowing they've got a perfectly good Nemesis in the bag, but that's hardly Brunswick's fault.

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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2006, 05:25:12 PM »
Here's my take on it...

A while back I ordered some Danger Zone remakes from Lomar. They were mellow, not too aggressive. These were made on the old machinery in Muskegon.

Fast forward to the present, ordered another case of Danger Zone remakes from Lomar. The new batch were ANIMALS, much more aggressive in my eyes. These were made with the new machinery in Muskegon before it was sent down to the new plant.

I haven't thrown the Wizard yet, been so busy to drill my stuff, let alone bowl. But soon, we'll see!!!
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Re: RERELEASE THE SAME BALLS...
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2006, 06:22:33 PM »
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These were made with the new machinery


im beginning to wonder if the radical inferno will be far and beyond the hook potential thats been released at 130, with the new casting processors.

about the remakes... i wonder if the quantum remakes will be stronger going forward as well.

just some things to think about.
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