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charlest

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Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« on: February 23, 2005, 01:10:39 AM »
balls that go long and turn hard like the Igniter and the Intense Inferno?

I am constantly amazed about people buying such balls and then saying they're terrible or worse yet, useless. When are the same types of people going to start criticizing the Punisher for the same "bad design"?

Oddly, many (other) bowlers criticize Brunswick for only having early rolling & early revving balls. Is it preconceived expectations that the cause of such criticism?

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charlest

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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 11:01:23 AM »
But you'd figure they'd look at some ball reviews, they'd ask about a ball, find out what it is designed to do, what it is doing for someone else before they just plunk down their money. Wouldn't you?

I don't about any one else but I work VERY hard for my money. I hate to throw it in the garbage on something I cannot use.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2005, 11:13:16 AM »
the II has been stated to be condition specific which i would agree with, it's not for house shots, the punisher cover is weaker than pk18, and the Iggy was actually quite good.

players need to realize there is more to what is on the tech sheet sometimes too.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2005, 11:22:25 AM »
I'm skurred of balls that hook so late and sharp!
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2005, 11:32:14 AM »
I'd be scared of 4 counts and designer washouts and splits.  That's why I stay away, or atleast try to, haha.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2005, 11:53:01 AM »
Purely a personal opinion, but I was unable to control the breakpoint (very over/under) with the igniter. It also tended to go way too long for me on most patterns, and all the rest it hooked up in the heads.

IMHO I think you would tend to find most of the people like me who grew up with & were most comfortable with urethane tend to like the arcing reactions of the brunswick coverstocks.

As far as going long & turning hard, there are many times when my monster slay/r does just that. It's just a little bit more controllable for me because it doesn't jump like the igniter did.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2005, 12:04:10 PM »
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balls that go long and turn hard like the Igniter and the Intense Inferno?


Some of us can deal with them.  It's just a matter of knowing when they should be used, and when they need to stay in the bag.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 12:13:47 PM »
Every ball is "condition specific". The real problem is the bowler. Urethane, dull(or matte or sheen) reactives, mild cores, particle balls, and combinations thereof tend to "blend out" or mask variations in the bowlers technique. Top level professionals and amateurs have much less variation in hand positon, rotation, tilt, speed, etc. from shot to shot, and as a result have more success with balls such as the Intense.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2005, 12:34:23 PM »
I gotta say that I have an Igniter drilled to go long and snap and that is one of the most underrated balls there is when the heads are fried. Is the Intense similar to the Igniter? I've been thinking about getting that one.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2005, 12:55:35 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2005, 12:56:45 PM »
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balls that go long and turn hard like the Igniter and the Intense Inferno?


Some of us can deal with them.  It's just a matter of knowing when they should be used, and when they need to stay in the bag.
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charlest

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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2005, 01:33:53 PM »
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the II has been stated to be condition specific which i would agree with, it's not for house shots, the punisher cover is weaker than pk18, and the Iggy was actually quite good.


There I'd have to disagree with you. With a fairly generic drilling, 4x5, I was able to play medium-heavy to medium-light oil patterns. It was not the ideal ball for me for all those variations, but it was much more than sufficient, better on medium to medium-heavy.

I think some of this, finding a ball too condition-specific, stems from people either,
a) not thinking very much how drilling will affect a ball,or
b) drilling every ball with the pin above the ring finger and then commenting on how it is either a great ball or a terrible ball.

True, on ocassion, some balls just don't suit some people's releases and they choose not to re-drill or to modify the surface.

Timothy, I am not you do any of these. It's possible that you may hvae skipped some mod that will make it do what you need.

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players need to realize there is more to what is on the tech sheet sometimes too.
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That, I agree with very strongly.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick users deal with ...
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2005, 02:39:07 PM »
I love all my stuff equally!  No discrimination here.  From the smooth rollin bruiser, to my Mofo-snapping screamr, all my stuff is equally liked.
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