Post by: hhsbowler on July 02, 2007, 09:15:27 AM
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Post by: charlest on July 02, 2007, 05:52:16 PM
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Post by: on July 02, 2007, 05:57:11 PM
I have a Fury that I use Rough Buff on after taking the coverstock up to 1200 and the ball is very shiny.
The polish does have some grit to it, so it's less shiny than the High Gloss polish that Brunswick also sells.
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Edited on 7/2/2007 5:58 PM
Post by: shelley on July 02, 2007, 07:02:59 PM
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Post by: charlest on July 02, 2007, 07:33:18 PM
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Post by: on July 02, 2007, 11:10:57 PM
charlest is correct. Varying speeds and pressure on the spinner, as well as using water or not, can make a noticeable difference.
Here's a link:
http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/tp/q9/tpq9OASb3Pgq7TtXgjAetw/Factory_Finishes.pdf
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Post by: dizzyfugu on July 03, 2007, 01:52:36 AM
) - with finer grits than 220 as a base, you get a very shiny surface that lacks traction. Balls look rather polished and skid in oil, so I think Rough Buff's use is pretty limited - but with the 220 base grit you get someting that's between 2.000-4.000 Abralon, but smoother in the heads.--------------------
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Post by: on July 03, 2007, 09:43:23 AM
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As an addition, Rough Buff is VERY abrasive and coarse (we had this discussion some time ago
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With all due respect, Rough Buff's use is only limited by your own experience and imagination. Assuming you have a good spinner and water supply, this is one of the more versatile polishes on the market.
Every ball skids in oil (some recover from oil faster, i.e. particle balls) but shiny one's turn sharper once they encounter friction.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on July 03, 2007, 09:59:14 AM
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With all due respect, Rough Buff's use is only limited by your own experience and imagination. Assuming you have a good spinner and water supply, this is one of the more versatile polishes on the market.
Every ball skids in oil (some recover from oil faster, i.e. particle balls) but shiny one's turn sharper once they encounter friction.
Hmm, I did not make this experience, but I haven' tried the stuff on many balls yet since I found it quite limited. I used it for example on a S&A over a 600 grit base and some water on a spinner, and this thoroughly killed the ball. I messed around a bit, and found that it just worked well with a coarse base finish (in my case a maroon 3M pad, about 320 grit I think). I tried it also on a friend's balls who was curious about it, and the best results concerning grip an performance were with the rough base grit?
The finish on a rough base grit is nevertheless nice, really something between a polish and a "pure" high grit finish, so it has a place to fill. But I am not sold on the idea that you can do a lot with it with base grit combinations. I haven't experimented with light volumes of this compound yet, maybe this work better with a finer base?
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Post by: on July 03, 2007, 11:05:18 AM
Some polishes "clog" the pores of the ball more than others, but I have found that those with some grit to them tend to leave the pores more open so the ball can read the lane.
Try different surfaces before applying the RB and use smaller amounts, etc. Good luck.
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Post by: ccrider on July 03, 2007, 12:22:10 PM
Or, is there a better way to do it?
I assume that given the same drill, both balls will react different due to cover and core?
Charles
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One additional note: Brunswick has a very strict finishing regimen. Ao all the balls finished with RB will look alike BECAUSE they all start with 220 grit and BECAUSE they apply the same amount of RB, with the same amount of pressure , for the same amount of time (Probably a machine). You, the individual, applying it at homne with your own spinner can stop the process at any point you like. It takes time to learn how much to apply, how hard to press, for how long. But you can get the variable finish that YOU want, that YOU need. RB and such polishes/compounds with abrasives in them allow you that luxury.
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Post by: on July 03, 2007, 01:10:38 PM
and the Absolute would be 220 grit, then Rough Buff.
If you finish both of them the same, the difference would be VERY subtle. By changing the surface under the polish you should see more contrast.
Remember that surface will dominate reaction more than core designs and layouts, etc.
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Post by: shelley on July 03, 2007, 01:19:37 PM
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With all that has been said, to restore my original inferno and absolute inferno, do I still take both of them to 220 and then polish with rough buff?
Or, is there a better way to do it?
The OI uses Brunswick's standard polished finish, 400-grit sanding plus High Gloss polish. The AI uses their standard RB finish, 220-grit sanding plus RB.
Nothing wrong with putting an OI at 220-grit RB, but that's not the original factory surface.
SH
Post by: mrbowlingnut on July 03, 2007, 01:26:04 PM
I also prefer the columbia degree polishes 1200 and 2000 they give a whole different reaction to each ball just in case the above method's do not give adequate reaction's.
Yes rough buff is perfect for changing surfaces i use it to get that area between 1000 and 2000, i wish they made a 1500 abralon pads. Rough buff is better in carrydown situations over high gloss or the columbia polishes.
Post by: shelley on July 03, 2007, 03:52:32 PM
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Burgandy, green and grey pad, abralon pad set 500,1k,2k,4k a few of each, brunswick rough buff and high gloss add spinner and you are now a coverstock guru.
So a gritless polish, a compound finish, and a bunch of different grits of abrasive pads? You mean that pretty much covers the spectrum?
Really, how many other finishes can you make?
SH
Post by: charlest on July 03, 2007, 04:58:59 PM
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Burgandy, green and grey pad, abralon pad set 500,1k,2k,4k a few of each, brunswick rough buff and high gloss add spinner and you are now a coverstock guru.
So a gritless polish, a compound finish, and a bunch of different grits of abrasive pads? You mean that pretty much covers the spectrum?
Really, how many other finishes can you make?
SH
Shelley,
While RB is not really a polish, adding a true abrasive-containing polish, such as Storm's Xtra Shine, and a really hard abrasive like Trizact, would virtually complete mrbowlingnut's (Barry's) arsenal of coverstock adjustments kit. Those, plus patience, cleaning rags and fluids and a spinner, will give you almost every surface known to man, err, woman, ... err, ... bowler-kind.
While I like to use some other polishes and "adjusting" liquids and materials, just to be different and for testing, by and large, that is all that is essential.
How you apply them is another matter.
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Edited on 7/3/2007 5:00 PM
Post by: slap on July 03, 2007, 05:24:53 PM
can you recommend at source for trizact pads?
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Post by: shelley on July 03, 2007, 09:07:51 PM
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Post by: charlest on July 03, 2007, 10:09:42 PM
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What do you do with rags that are full of cleaners and polishes? I've got a rag that I've been using for the rubbing compound and I don't know whether to throw it in the laundry or toss it.
SH
Except for paper towels, I wash all mine. You might consider puttign some liquid soap on it for a day prior to washing it, if it's really soaked. Also do a double rinse cycle to insure all the grit gets thoroughly washed away.
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Post by: charlest on July 03, 2007, 10:13:05 PM
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charlest,
can you recommend at source for trizact pads?
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I bought mine from Innovative Bowling a few years ago.
http://www.innovativebowling.com/
DO some Internet searches. I found some pads a while back for a fairly inexpensive price. Don't recall where exactly.
This place, Bowler's Discount Supply,
http://www.bowlersdiscountsales.com/store/page32.html
also has them listed.
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Post by: slap on July 04, 2007, 08:59:58 AM
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charlest,
can you recommend at source for trizact pads?
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I bought mine from Innovative Bowling a few years ago.
http://www.innovativebowling.com/
DO some Internet searches. I found some pads a while back for a fairly inexpensive price. Don't recall where exactly.
This place, Bowler's Discount Supply,
http://www.bowlersdiscountsales.com/store/page32.html
also has them listed.
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Thank you. I must have missed that site that last time I searched.
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