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rayx22

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Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« on: December 24, 2011, 12:55:55 AM »
 How similar are these two bowling balls? I have a PowerGroove, and the lanes have to be torched for me to have a decent look with it. Is the Slingshot the same way? I bowl in a second-shift league, and my "go-to" ball is a Rattler. I'm looking to fill a gap at the bottom of my arsenal, but I'd like something that's not so condition-specific. Any input is appreciated!


 

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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2011, 09:09:10 AM »
Then it isn't the Slingshot unless you sand it.
The SS is milder than the Power Groove in that it has much less flare and thus much less overall hook and backend. It uses the same coverstock but the core is different. The SS is just about as dry a lane resin ball as you can get these days.
 
You might want to consider the Karma Pearl then. or the older Avalanche Green/Black Pearl if you can find one. The Av has less flare for more control than the Karma, using the same coverstock.


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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2011, 09:59:35 AM »
I drilled my Slingshot pin down and strong and it's a step above the Power Grooves I had. It's definitely more smooth as opposed to my Power Groove, which went long and turned more abruptly.  On the conditions I see, the Slingshot is a couple boards stronger overall.
 
 
 


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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2011, 12:05:21 PM »
I really like my pin down Slingshot! Last week I used the Wicked Siege on the left lane and the Slingshot on the right lane and shot 278 with two 10 pins!! I use the Slingshot a lot at a house that uses a 38' pattern and it's the first ball I try and have been shooting well with it!! It's drilled pin below ring finger with the drill angle at 40 degrees with a weight hole on the P3 location, so it's drilled strong. The Karma Pearl or Damage would be a step above the Slingshot as Charlest stated!! Just my $.02, Bruce


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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2011, 12:51:24 PM »
I've owned both a PowerGroove and a Slingshot. Overall, I'd put the SS to be about 2 boards stronger overall than th PG out of the box; with the SS having more midlane. I also had my Slingshot drilled decently strong and pin down (about 4" from axis). This ball was MONEY on house shots and basically any pattern under 40'. I kept it sanded to 4000 and it was the single most versitile low end ball I've ever seen. I could play up the boards on sport shots and play closer to the oil line on house shots with a smooth and consistent reaction. That ball alone has made me a pretty penny over the years. People told me all the time something to the effect of "a cheap ball like that isn't supposed to hit so hard" one of whom includes an exempt pro.

 

You seriously can't go wrong with the ball. I'm one of those crazy people that tend to think the color does have a minor impact on ball reaction, so I'd stick with the Black/Chrome (that's what I had). For the most part, I'd say drill it on the strong side and more pin down (larger VAL angle). What are your release specs? Perhaps I can help you out more....

 

 


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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 02:44:40 PM »
Jared,
 
You make me want to buy another and drill it strong. Mine with pin over bridge works too well when they're very dry. But then I don't have your hand or ball speed.


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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 08:06:21 PM »
It is all relative to how you bowl and how you drill the ball.
 
Both have the same cover, the PG is actually an asymmetric core with a much higher diff then the SS. So the PG over all will be a bigger hooking ball and much more angular. The SS with the much lower diff should be a lot smoother when it transitions. I have a few different PGs drilled up a few different ways. One as about a 3.5" pin to PAP and is a very strong over all hooking ball. It gets into a very strong roll midlane and keeps on hooking down lane. A very very impressive ball to say the least. One that is great for THS and heavier oiled conditions because of the very strong midlane.
 
I have one SS with a 4.75" pin to pap and a p3 weight hole. It is very clean through the heads and has a very even move on the backends. If you were to drill both balls identical the PG will be more angular where as the SS will be much smoother.
 
Also on the PG with out knowing the actual location of the MB/PSA it is hard to know the exact location of the Pin/low rg axis of the ball which makes things a guess when drilling the PG. 


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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2011, 11:23:45 AM »
 Thanks for the input, everyone!

BrunsWolf, my release specs are as follows:
PAP: 5 1/2 over, 9/16 up
Revs: 300-350rpm
Speed: 16.5-17mph



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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2012, 01:56:18 PM »
Ray: In that case, with your specs, I'd imagine a simple pin down layout about 4-4.5" from axis and no hole would work just fine. By the way, is the speed you gave at the pins or off your hand? You're slightly rev dominant if that speed is off your hand but I can't pinpoint an exact layout without axis tilt and axis rotation numbers also. However, being a simple symmetric core, any pin down layout with the pin about 4-4.5" from axis, no hole (unless needed), and about 2000-4000 grit should work wonders (I loved mine at 4000 over a scuff of 1000). When I had alot of success with this ball, I had both a higher rev rate and speed than you, but was the same level of rev/speed ratio as you are now. That being the case, I don't know why such a ball and layout wouldn't work for you.

 

ON EDIT: Depending on your axis tilt and rotation, with that PAP, even a pin over (smaller VAL angle) might react just as well for you



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Re: Slingshot v. PowerGroove
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2012, 01:05:44 AM »
I find the slingshot to roll up and be a little smoother than the power groove.  The power groove can be a bit jerky off of the spot, but sometimes not really pick up in the oil, its touchy.

The slingshots for me tended to roll well both shiny and dull and gave me more options in terms of shape on the lane.  My slingshots have saved me on dry lanes on a number of occassions!


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