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no300tj

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slingshot VS power groove
« on: December 11, 2010, 09:37:56 AM »
OK I'll start by saying the Power Groove is the best third game ball I've ever seen. It doesn't matter if it is house or sport shot, when they open up this ball is money. I gave my Groove to my brother as he recently started bowling again and was building an arsenal. He didn't believe me about it until he shot 279 one night. Now he wants a new one as do I. Do you know how the slingshot compares? The numbers are close and the cover is the same, so i believe it to be a direct replacement. I am going to drill one, I just don't want any surprises. Thanks, T.J.
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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 05:49:16 PM »
It is not a direct replacement. It has a lower flaring core. SO it's much more of a control ball with less flip & backend. Otherwise it handles a similar amount of oil. And there is yet no solid coverstock Slingshot.
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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 12:26:01 AM »

Overall it's a more smooth reaction, but if you liked the Power Groove you should love the Slingshot.


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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 02:36:24 AM »
My groove was drilled stacked with the pin next to the ring finger. It didn't know the word flippy. It was very rolly and smooth. The best part was, when everyone else is chasing left, I could stay where I was or move right and still be aggressive with it. Thanks.
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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 04:33:33 AM »
Power Groove is an asymmetric core with a higher diff
RG 2.68 Diff .041

Slingshot is a symmetric core with a lower RG and Diff
RG 2.60 Diff .017

Power Groove will be more angular, the Slingshot will be smoother. I prefer the Power Groove and they are still available online in most places.
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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 08:12:12 AM »
Both the Power Groove and Slingshot are symmetrical core balls.  

The Power Groove has a .041 differential and the Slingshot has a .017 differential.  That means the Power Groove's hook potential is 2 1/2 times stronger than the Slingshot.  The Power Groove will be more angular than the Slingshot.  For more info, you may check bowlwithbrunswick.com


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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 04:41:29 PM »
According to others the Power Groove is asymmetric. The placement of the pucks in reference to the pancake weight block are not symmetric. The ball does have a low PSA rating.

http://www.bowlingindex.com/store/graphics/00000001/BL-BPGR.jpg

Also was mentioned to find the true low RG you needed to spin the ball on a determinator to find the PSA, then draw a line from there 6 3/4" through the CG to mark the actual low RG.
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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 05:20:49 PM »
Finding the true PSA on any asymmetrical is easy as it is marked.  

On symmetrical balls, the PSA is not marked as it does not exist BEFORE drilling.  The PSA is created by the largest void in the ball, which will be somewhere near the thumb.  This was learned in the 2010 IBPSIA Advanced Technicians class that I attended where Mo Pinel was the instructor.
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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 05:47:09 PM »
Just because it isn''t marked on the Power Groove doesn''t mean it doesn''t exist.

Page two, towards the bottom

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1111&hilit=power+groove&start=20

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http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1266&hilit=power+groove


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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2010, 08:01:47 PM »
If you spin a asymmetrical ball, it will find a PSA before drilling.  If you spin a symmetrical ball before drilling, it will not find a PSA before drilling.  Once you drill the symmetrical ball the PSA will be on or near the thumb.  At the point it becomes an asymmetrical ball.  If you spin the drilled ball, it will spin towards the thumb....



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kidlost2000

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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 09:10:12 PM »
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Be good, or be good at it.


You would appear to be neither by the way you argue your erroneous point about the power groove and slingshot cores.

Have a nice day.



Stick to what you know, and send the PBA a check already.

I''''ve already made post on here in reference to a drilled symmetric being asymmetric after drilling. That more times then not a pin up drilling symmetric ball will have the PSA be the thumb hole, when the pin is down on an symmetric after drilling the PSA is usually 6 3/4" from the pin through the thumb.

 I also posted where Mo talks about the difference in a Power Groove and Slingshot and that the Power Groove is an Asymmetric ball and how to find the balls PSA along with its true low RG before drilling.(not after)

DD819 learned a lot from Mo Pinel , but I guess doesn''''t believe him on the Power Groove.

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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 09:08:48 PM »
I read my previous post on here and disagree. I posted an answer to his question. Someone else posted in reference to the cores and what Mo has said.

I posted links on the exact subject in reference to what Mo has said. Nothing more nothing less. Any other post on bowling balls I have made is in reference to my experience with them. I have nothing negative to say of any of them or people using them. I will reply negative to those who choose to do the same.

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You would appear to be neither by the way you argue your erroneous point about the power groove and slingshot cores.


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You know, you might be a nice guy in real life for all I know.


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Disregard on sending the PBA a check, that was lotsofstrikes,not you.


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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2010, 10:50:43 PM »
Scroll back up and pick out what bothers you.
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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2010, 05:28:06 PM »
Read it how you want, then read your BS post and ask me what I care about your perception.


Oh, and have a nice day.



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no300tj

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Re: slingshot VS power groove
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 10:15:19 AM »
Thanks for the replies. Boy this post went down the toilet. However, since I was wrong regarding the slingshot's ability to replace my groove, what do you guys think I would be able to get the closest reaction out of? I am not brand specific. A tornado looks closer as does a dark star.
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