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Title: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 05, 2005, 11:50:19 AM: http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNzcxMzI1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

Return of the chicken wing. For the life of me I can't seem to get my arm to stay straight. I still think my timing is off. I am always open to suggestion.

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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Brunswick Kid on February 05, 2005, 07:59:19 PM: Nicely made vid, hehe.

Lemme guess, Beastie Boys?
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Strike300 on February 05, 2005, 08:02:31 PM: Lol first get rid of that music. You are on the side of the ball in the backswing and at release looks like your throwing a spinner. You need to really focus on staying behind the ball. Push out to your target with your ringer finger and let it lead into your target until the release. You got that elbow bent too. Push out on your 2nd step not third since you have a five step approach. Get the ball under your shoulder in your stance not so far left. You may have a ball fit issue.

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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 05, 2005, 08:12:01 PM: Hey now, don't dog my Beastie Boys.

I thought it may be my drill specs that cause me to constantly be on the side of the ball in my swing. Thanks for the feedback.

Calling BrunsNick
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Strike300 on February 05, 2005, 08:18:15 PM: Its not just the ball specs hindering you from being on the side of the ball its just compounding it.
Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 05, 2005, 08:21:40 PM: I understand what you are saying. My original specs got lost when I transferred to Hawaii and due to a break-in at the pro shop I used to work at I started from scratch when I got here..

I wish I had someone here that could work with me and point these things out so I can correct on the fly instead of watching the vid when I get home.

I will take your suggestions into account when I practice tomorrow.

So what song would you like to hear in my next vid?
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Strike300 on February 05, 2005, 08:30:01 PM: Beastie boys are cool if thats the kind of music you look. They are legends. Starting from scratch isn't always too bad. The pro-shop just has to get it right the first time or through trial and error. Are there no qualified coaches there? A few dollars spent on one would pay off more than those different bowling balls.
Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 05, 2005, 08:35:12 PM: Maybe I will ask locally regarding a bowling coach. I do have 2 new balls my wife got me as an early birthday gift, (Zone Classic, Absolute Inferno), that I want to save until I can correct my issues. There is one PBA certified shop here so I may pay them a visit this week and play the video for him.

So give me a song to use for my next video. I got over 30gig of all kinds of stuff.
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Strike300 on February 05, 2005, 08:39:21 PM: Give me some new rap or r&b. Thats a good idea to wait and look for a coach. Where are you located?
Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 05, 2005, 08:44:14 PM: Honolulu, Hawaii.

Any particular favorite artists?
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Strike300 on February 05, 2005, 08:45:28 PM: Nah I love most of it thats good.
Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: BrunsNick on February 05, 2005, 08:52:11 PM: And people say my armswing looks like it hurts!

You called me out to help, but I don't understand how I can when it is related to your drill specs?
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Strike300 on February 05, 2005, 09:01:17 PM: Yea your timing is way off. Thats probably another reason for that elbow. You have to accelerate it through the swing for it to catch up. Cure. Push on that second step.

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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 06, 2005, 01:19:14 AM: BrunsNick - When I fix the fundamentals, (after a few coached lessons), I may send my next ball to you for drilling, (after I go see the PBA certified pro shop). Or perhaps you can take a vacation to Hawaii.

Roy E - Are you referring to me? In all my years of bowling and as bad as my mechanics are, I have never fouled. Oh, I know what you're talking about.... The line you see is a reflection from low ceiling, not the actual foul line.

Strike - I can clearly see what you are talking about; I am pushing out on my third step instead of my second and it's throwing EVERYTHING off. I need to practice more because last week I had actually corrected the problem but had no vid at the time.

Columbia - My original equipment was stolen when the pro shop I worked for got broken into.
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 10:55:31 AM: I am not good at explaining things, but I will try. I think part of the problem may be a timing issue. You take 5 steps and you don't even begin the push-off until your 3rd step is half way to being complete. By this happening, force must happen some where in order to get everything to the foul line at the correct time. Your 4th step is almost complete and the ball is still going back in the back swing, so you bend your elbowto hurry the process in order for everything to be in time at the foul line. With this 4th step and swing not on the right position and probably varing from shot to shot, this bending the elbow allows you to adjust your timing. If you get your arm straightened out by the end of the down swing, you can still have a good delivery and release, but if you keep elblow even partially bent at the end of down swing, you are going to chicken wing the release......Been there....Done that.
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 06, 2005, 12:16:44 PM: Brick - Thanks for the detailed explanation of why things happen in my approach and delivery. Honestly I thought I was pushing the ball out on my 2nd step, (before I saw the vid).
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Moe on February 06, 2005, 04:45:11 PM: Not bad charky, if you work on what he pointed out and keep in mind what i pm'd you about then you should be good.

As for myself, there is no help for me.
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Mr Bass on February 07, 2005, 03:31:33 PM: Nice video. People shouldn't hate on the Beastie Boys.
Is there something preventing you (mental or physical) from keeping your arm straight on your downswing? I always bent my arm during my first two years bowling but in time (and some arm strength) I was able to correct my problem.

And unlike Capt. Backswing and Jamie Reid (ask Next Level PS who he is ) my swing is low...
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 07, 2005, 03:42:04 PM: quote:
Is there something preventing you (mental or physical) from keeping your arm straight on your downswing?

Yeah. Mainly pushing out on my third step of a five-step approach instead of the second step. As someone explained it, since my timing is off I am bending my arm to catch up with my feet.

I just have to mentally get myself to push out on the second step and keep practicing it. As I may have mentioned, I corrected it one week but had no video. Now unfortunately, I'm back to the same of me. More practice is what I need and maybe a little personal coaching.
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: BigMike_RevMaster on February 07, 2005, 10:32:45 PM: Its more textbook to go off the second step but if thats not comfortable for you then make one little adjustment. the later timing might not be as bad as you think. you can actually develope more lift and possibly leverage on the ball. straighten out the arm and and do what you do. a good exmaple of this later timing stuff if you ever watch doug kent watch what he does it will give you an idea.
Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 07, 2005, 10:52:41 PM: quote:
Yeah. Mainly pushing out on my third step of a five-step approach instead of the second step. As someone explained it, since my timing is off I am bending my arm to catch up with my feet.

Bomb300, There will be some people on this site that will disagree and some may even beat me up for what I say here, but if so. so be it....I used to do exactly what you are doing for several years and I was a pretty good bowler. Then I started reading too many books on how a person is supposed to do everything and tried to correct my steps/swing "according to the book". That was one of the worse mistakes I ever made as I had bowled for too many years bending my elbow, to change. Now, with you being younger, you may be successful at changing, I don't know. Although a little different than you, Earl Anthony bent his elbow. Brian Voss bends his a bit today. There are others, but these two are the first that come to mind at the moment. I currently bowl with one man that is left handed and bowls exactly like you and he carrys a 218 average. He has perfected what he does and is a successful bowler. Wish I hadn't read one single book and perfected what I was doing back then.
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Easy10pins on February 08, 2005, 12:08:12 AM: Brick,

I would tend to believe what you say but after having corrected the problem one week, my approach, delivery and follow through was smooth, I generated more ball speed and hit my mark on my favore down and in shot. I was actually comfortable rolling the ball.

I am inconsistent the way I bowl now. Even thought I carry a 215 average on my Thurs. night league, I tire easily because I am actually pulling the ball up instead of letting the ball swing freely into position and there's no way I could finish a scratch tourney the way I roll now.

If I didn't love bowling so much and didn't spend money on new equipment, I wouldn't care and not worry about the chicken wing. But I want my 300 Game form back and eventually bowl in the Hawaii TV Bowling tourney.

I sincerely appreciate everyones input. This weekend I hope to have new vid. Plus I have an Impuse Zone, an Absolute and a Rhino Pro Teal on order but I don't want to drill them out until I have corrected my issues.

Maybe one day I will be able to give BrunsNick a run for his money.
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Title: Re: Slow and Low
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 08, 2005, 01:09:06 AM: Bomb, if changing your swing to how it should be done and it is working, that is great. Keep up the good work.
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