Post by: Pahataun on June 23, 2007, 12:51:24 AM
i have smokin inferno, radical inferno, vapour zone, elite blue alien, action max, lanemasters kong, power groove reactive, bvp goliath,
Post by: John D Davis on June 23, 2007, 09:04:13 AM
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Post by: Gazoo on June 23, 2007, 10:04:10 AM
Post by: charlest on June 23, 2007, 10:05:59 AM
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I recently played at a local tournament where in the finals the lane got so dry that my factory finished smoking got too strong and i needed something that would slide further, but my radical inferno didn't have any hitting power... i have been thinking about bvp rampage for a long time, does anyone have any other suggestions for me? i have about 23-25km/h ball speed and maybe 300rpm...
i have smokin inferno, radical inferno, vapour zone, elite blue alien, action max, lanemasters kong, power groove reactive, bvp goliath,
Did you try the Power Groove reactive (I assume it's the pearl)?
That is the Brunswick ball with the greatest length other than plastic. It is certainly much weaker then the Rampage or any Inferno. (The PG Dry/R will have less backend than the regular PG pearl, but backend did not seem to be your problem.)
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Post by: alloutsmith3 on June 23, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
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Post by: John D Davis on June 23, 2007, 10:11:37 AM
Post by: Jesse James on June 23, 2007, 10:46:25 AM
However, as I have seen carry is the biggest concern.
I just bowled this past Thursday on a torched pair, and watched a lefty throw plastic and get to the pocket easily, but he could not carry consistently!
You must really be accurate, AND consistent with your speed in order to carry on chopped up lanes, otherwise you'd better have some flying backends in order to get the carry necessary to score well.
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Post by: BrunsBob on June 23, 2007, 11:15:48 AM
The only problem I see with plastic is that with todays conditions, when we talk about dry lanes, it is usually the front portion of the lane that goes. Once oil travels down the lane, plastic really isn't the answer. That is exactly why you don't see more people do it. It is always an option, but IF you can still get a look with resin you will always benefit from the carry factor.
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Post by: John D Davis on June 23, 2007, 11:29:27 AM
Yes players do run into lane conditions where the front part of the lane is dry and the backend still has a little oil or carrydown should I say. There is no reason why any player cant throw a plastic ball and be effective on these conditions. The only conditions that may not work is when u have carrydown and alot of head oil.... But then who needs it anyway?
Playing with plastic takes much plastic but if you have burned heads like you are talking about then you should be able to get the plastic to read the lane early and give you the most predictable backend of anything. When playing these conditions the backend becomes out of play anyway. Sure you may not be able to belly it like a hook monster but there is no reason plastic should not be giving a chance!
Does anyone see my point here? People put plastic in their hand and then they think........... oh hell this thing wont hook much so they end up throwing kinda sloppy. Practice day in and day out on tough conditions with a plastic and when u see yourself throwing the plastic as pure as the reactive then come and tell me that it wont work.... Because I know from experience that it will work!
I just wished more people where open minded about the conditions and the ways they can play the lanes....John
Post by: alloutsmith3 on June 23, 2007, 11:36:06 AM
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I will never understand why people dont like to throw plastic...Throwing plastic can be such a wonderful thing when the lanes are burned. Just stay square and dont miss right... Everything else is in the pocket!
I have no problem throwing plastic if need be, but why throw plastic when the Groove Dry/R gives me a similar look on the front part of the lane but has the little extra on the back part of the lane that helps get those corner pins out.
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Post by: John D Davis on June 23, 2007, 11:59:23 AM
Post by: alloutsmith3 on June 23, 2007, 12:53:32 PM
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I was only making a point.... when throwing a plastic ball "PURE" it carries just as good as any other ball but without the chances of throwing it not so pure and leaving a split. Not saying plastic is the way to go always, just saying people dont give it enough credit is all......thx for the opinions, John
I understand what your saying, a few years ago I would use plastic on the second shift if they were burnt. I've seen some high games with plastic, by myself and others. When I set the house/city record for youth game in the early 90's I rolled plastic. Its just now that I have the Dry/R there really is no need to use plastic for anything besides spares.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on June 23, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
Post by: charlest on June 23, 2007, 04:25:51 PM
Why is everyone insisting he use a Dry/R or a plastic ball, when he never even attempted to try the Power Groove Reactive (probably the pearl), which is MUCH milder than the Rampage or ANY Inferno???
Why? Why? Why?????
Nobody knows how dry it really was if all he tried was a Smoking Inf. and Radical Inf.
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Post by: Japaters on June 23, 2007, 05:39:45 PM
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Post by: alloutsmith3 on June 23, 2007, 10:08:53 PM
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I'm not understanding something -
Why is everyone insisting he use a Dry/R or a plastic ball, when he never even attempted to try the Power Groove Reactive (probably the pearl), which is MUCH milder than the Rampage or ANY Inferno???
Why? Why? Why?????
Nobody knows how dry it really was if all he tried was a Smoking Inf. and Radical Inf.
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The Power Groove is much stronger than most people give it credit for, so if the lanes are truely dry then its going to be too much ball. I own both a Radical Inferno and a Power Groove and the Radical isn't much stronger than the Power Groove. The original question was which ball would be best for dry lanes and in my opinion the Groove Dry/R is much better suited for the dry.
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Post by: BrunsBob on June 24, 2007, 12:08:50 AM
John D. Davis, what part of my post was wrong.....was it the whole thing? I'm still learning most of this stuff, so please bear with me.
Thanks in advance for the advice.
RoB LaW
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Post by: Canuck on June 24, 2007, 01:53:01 AM
However, your views sound very much like that of the head honcho over at Kegel, John Davis.
Whether or not you are one in the same....I don't know...
In regards to your views on throwing plastic, I completely agree. Recently at the CNCs (Canadian National Championships) the conditions we encountered were similar to those put down by Kegel at various FIQ tournament, a long and a short pattern (though slightly easier due to the design and to the lane surface).
While I only witnessed one bowler score well with plastic, myself along with many others including Brunswick Staffer Corey Clayton (who I bowled with on day 2) scored well around the gutter throwing urethane.
Basically, I'm just saying that on similar conditions plastic and urethane often offer more room than reactive and can carry as well, if not better under the right conditions.
Just my 2 cents based on my experiences....
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Post by: charlest on June 24, 2007, 06:23:46 AM
quote:quote:
I'm not understanding something -
Why is everyone insisting he use a Dry/R or a plastic ball, when he never even attempted to try the Power Groove Reactive (probably the pearl), which is MUCH milder than the Rampage or ANY Inferno???
Why? Why? Why?????
Nobody knows how dry it really was if all he tried was a Smoking Inf. and Radical Inf.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
The Power Groove is much stronger than most people give it credit for, so if the lanes are truely dry then its going to be too much ball. I own both a Radical Inferno and a Power Groove and the Radical isn't much stronger than the Power Groove. The original question was which ball would be best for dry lanes and in my opinion the Groove Dry/R is much better suited for the dry.
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BUT the point was and is the PG is still weaker than ANY Inferno, clearing the heads MUCH more easily and HE ALREADY HAS A POWER GROOVE!!!
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Post by: alloutsmith3 on June 24, 2007, 10:02:52 PM
quote:quote:quote:
I'm not understanding something -
Why is everyone insisting he use a Dry/R or a plastic ball, when he never even attempted to try the Power Groove Reactive (probably the pearl), which is MUCH milder than the Rampage or ANY Inferno???
Why? Why? Why?????
Nobody knows how dry it really was if all he tried was a Smoking Inf. and Radical Inf.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
The Power Groove is much stronger than most people give it credit for, so if the lanes are truely dry then its going to be too much ball. I own both a Radical Inferno and a Power Groove and the Radical isn't much stronger than the Power Groove. The original question was which ball would be best for dry lanes and in my opinion the Groove Dry/R is much better suited for the dry.
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ABC North Lanes Pro Shop
Harrisburg, PAww
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BUT the point was and is the PG is still weaker than ANY Inferno, clearing the heads MUCH more easily and HE ALREADY HAS A POWER GROOVE!!!
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I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'm just saying what my opinion is based on my experiences with my PG. If I hit what I consider dry then there is no way I could use my PG and the Dry/R has to come out of the bag.
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Post by: alloutsmith3 on June 24, 2007, 10:25:30 PM
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I'm still learning most of this stuff, so please bear with me.
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Post by: dpunky on June 25, 2007, 02:28:02 PM
The plastic did carry.
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Post by: Pahataun on June 27, 2007, 04:02:07 AM
answer to the question about me using my pg reactive pearl i did use it but it was stronger then the radical... i have it drilled to hook early too so i think that was my problem... radical again is drilled to hook late...
i am now in between finding a punisher witch i have seen played well on dry lanes, and buying a dry/r which i think is easyer to find...
And one other thing, pg reactive is one of the meanest hooking balls in my mind
just add a little more hand to it and you get a great ball for longer oil patterns!! and the spin it has really makes the pins fly!
thanks alot to all who had time to help a amateur bowler!
I'll let you know what i decide and how i am satisfied with it.
Post by: dizzyfugu on June 27, 2007, 04:06:22 AM
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