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daves123

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Surface for heavy oil
« on: April 10, 2018, 11:13:17 PM »
Seeking some advice on surface adjustment on a forest green quantum for heavy oil condition.
I'm a fairly high speed stroker 17 mph with approximately 250 rev rate. Ball is in box condition and didn't seem to have much movement on the tournament pattern . I have a spinner and was considering using green scotch bright. Opinions would be appreciated Thanks
BTW I'll  be on the same pattern this weekend too.
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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 02:51:50 AM »

I'd suggest trying the green scotch brite.  17 mph is fairly fast, and you can always tweak it back if needed. 
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daves123

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 08:29:26 AM »
Thank you for your reply. I'll be giving the green scotch bright a shot this weekend and see if that helps.
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SVstar34

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2018, 09:15:27 AM »
The Forest Quantum has always been really smooth in my eyes and a ball that works well on medium to shorter patterns with clean backends.

With you being speed dominant, it's possible more surface isn't the answer especially if the pattern is on the longer side where a ball with a quicker response to friction could be better
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daves123

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2018, 09:22:15 AM »
That makes sense in that the ball I was getting the most response from was my honey badger.
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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2018, 12:58:38 PM »
Not to disagree totally, but if it's a true heavy volume pattern the faster response balls can be over/under hell because they skid too far or grab too hard late. 

Sometimes you need to blend the pattern front to back (not just side-to-side) with surface.  The ball picks up the mid-lane, and then is controlled on the back.  If I were you I'd have both balls with you.  Good luck.
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spmcgivern

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2018, 02:11:52 PM »
The OP needs to understand heavy and short and heavy and long are very much different and require different strategies.

Experimentation is what is required here as long as there is a logical reason for each. 

Lane makes a good point about blending the end of the pattern, but also, you have to match the ball and surface with how much dry you have to deal with.  A Green Quantum at 1000 may not work well on a 44+ foot pattern, and a polished Honey Badger won't be successful on a 38 foot pattern.
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daves123

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 12:11:32 AM »
Thanks for the input. sorry I didn't know what the length of oil is but if I had to guess I would say longer heavy oil.
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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 01:43:18 PM »
I'd definitely try lower surface, but if you don't see any change with the ball going through the phases (skid, flip, roll) after that, then you would probably have to either slow down and match revs with speed or use another ball. What is the pattern? any details?
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REVerse

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 04:08:00 PM »
I can't find any centers in my area that apply heavy oil anymore. Everything starts out med lite to semi dry. By the third game I'm throwing urethane.
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jimjames

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2018, 07:00:24 PM »
Quote from: REVerse on April 13, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
I can't find any centers in my area that apply heavy oil anymore. Everything starts out med lite to semi dry. By the third game I'm throwing urethane.
Yuppers to that statement, except maybe in tournaments around my neighborhood. I need a good ol' Urethane, but don't have much knowledge of any, other than what I read here. Understand the "Crow" is a good one, but discontinued and I'm unable to find, sigh!  :o
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HackJandy

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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2018, 08:23:20 PM »
Quote from: jimjames on April 13, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
Quote from: REVerse on April 13, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
I can't find any centers in my area that apply heavy oil anymore. Everything starts out med lite to semi dry. By the third game I'm throwing urethane.
Yuppers to that statement, except maybe in tournaments around my neighborhood. I need a good ol' Urethane, but don't have much knowledge of any, other than what I read here. Understand the "Crow" is a good one, but discontinued and I'm unable to find, sigh!  :o

Crow is actually not a great dry lane ball as its super strong for a urethane.  This would be what I recommend for everyone for their first dry ball symmetric urethane.  Hard to beat the price (at least $20 cheaper than any other non pancake core true urethane new, plus been very impressed with every Pyramid ball I had so far) and that core hits a ton (have the Path Rising but not this ball).  The only drawback is its not a true 2 piece like say the Black Hammer remake but a lot of urethane balls aren't.

https://www.bowlingball.com/products/bowling-balls/pyramid/13503/pathogen-plague-new-item.html

Review video - http://www.ballreviews.com/other/pathogen-plague-urethane-reaction-video-and-review-t316114.0.html;msg2599143#msg2599143
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Re: Surface for heavy oil
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2018, 06:36:29 PM »

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Yuppers to that statement, except maybe in tournaments around my neighborhood. I need a good ol' Urethane, but don't have much knowledge of any, other than what I read here. Understand the "Crow" is a good one, but discontinued and I'm unable to find, sigh!  :o
I have an old Lane #1 Liberator that works quite well. I want to try the Hammer Widow Urethane.
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