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Nicanor

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Terrible first night with the 3.5
« on: February 09, 2010, 03:11:49 PM »
here are a lot of varibles I know, but the thing I was counting on was the continuation selling point.  I could not get the 3.5 to read the break point.  If I slowed it down and with more fingers it reved up great hinted about making a move then didn't.

For those who care, I drilled it 45X4.5X70.  I know this drilling is ment to read the mid lane earlier then other drillings, but it wsa suppose to turn the corner with continuation eventually.  Not so.  I'll try it againi tomorrow with a heavier oil pattern but I have a Megaton drilled almost identical to the 3.5 and it hit the break point turned over and ran for the pocket.  So back and forth I went with the Megaton and 3.5 and I ws totally mistified that I could not get the ball reaction out of the 3.5 that I expected or that is touted.

The jury isn't out.  Just stating my first reaction to throwing the 3.5 for the first time.


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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 11:51:33 PM »

Nicanor,

Mine definitely needs some oil out of the box. Try it on the heavier pattern and let us know.
I shined my 2.5 and it "woke up" on the higher friction surfaces, so I suspect this one would be similar.




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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 01:09:07 AM »
Thanks,

There is a possibility that it was burning up, but I won't know till I throw it tomorrow in a morning league with more oil.


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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 01:19:37 AM »
Just as a side note, but I also assume that you need some GOOD oil for the C-System balls to make them work. Saw my first C 2.5 in action in leage last weekend. We played on lightly oiled lanes, where the heads would burn away in the 5th frame after being made... One player proudly used a brand new C 2.5, and it was a total dud. Not because the ball was bad, but it was simply too little oil up front for it to be effective. With the C 3.5 being a juiced-up version, I suppose that it will be even worse, so that you really need some fresh oil up front. The shiny surface seems to be fooling players, the ball appears to have LOTS of traction.
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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 05:57:01 AM »
Having drilled both of the C-system balls, the first thing that I did is shine them due to my 15 ball speed.  If you put a real good shine, I think that you will get the reaction that you seek.
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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 07:45:47 AM »
Thank you for the replies.  I had hoped to get the 3.5 to open the lanes.  Its not fair to judge the ball on last night alone.  I just thought I would get more continuation with the ball.  We had to play deep, well deep for me anyway, 25 at the arrows12 at the break point.  So I'll try again without polish.


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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 07:57:24 AM »
Does the 3.5 come highly polished new
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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2010, 08:14:02 AM »
My buddie threw his in the trash his 3rd time using it dosent work worth a crap for him..
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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2010, 08:17:01 AM »
quote:
My buddie threw his in the trash his 3rd time using it dosent work worth a crap for him..

Which trash can/dumpster is it in?
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Nicanor

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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2010, 08:37:15 AM »
The 3.5 tech sheet says 4000 micro pad.  It looks more like a matte then polished.  


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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 08:37:58 AM »
quote:
Does the 3.5 come highly polished new


P4000 grit matte.
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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 09:45:46 AM »
Nicanor,

I have two of the C System 3.5s and one of them is drilled exactly as yours is.  The ball with your layout on it does hook a ton and does offer continuation but due to the friction factor of the coverstock, it does not like wet/dry situations where you have to hook it.  The ball just burns too much on the dry and wants to 2-8.  The quicker response drilling seems to be the most versatile of the two which is counter intuitive considering what one would think about how the ball reads the lane.  The C System technology simply reads the lane differently that other technologies.  There is however quite a bit of adjustability in the cover of the ball.  Box finish is the same 500/4000 siaair surface that was on the original C System 2.5.  Take the ball from 1000 to 2000 and you will definitely see a difference in the recovery when looping the ball.  You could also use a hole to change its reaction characteristics.
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Doug Sterner

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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 09:58:34 AM »
Perhaps if Brunswick took a page out of the Ebonite/Columbia/Hammer/Track book and actually told how the surface was applied to their pieces at the factory then maybe we could understand what's going on.

The 500/4000 surface prep brought to us by Storm last year on their Virtual Gravity was not made known to us until Hammer came out with the Jigsaw. Now the cat is out of the bag and all of us that had Virtuals that would not hook a board after having been resurfaced know what's going on.

Suddenly everyone is using 500/4000 and now everybody's new balls hook out of the building. However if everyone would tell us 500 for 3 cycles and 4000 for 1 cycle like the crew in KY are telling us then we'd know why the seemingly so smooth finish on the c system balls is just so dang aggressive.

As Jeff Ussery from Hammer told us last week at the seminar...."we have done a terrible job of getting this information out to the consumer and the pro shops...shame on us."

If more companies would be more up front with this info everyone involved would be so much better off.....
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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 10:21:29 AM »
The process (machine) Brunswick uses is different than what we have available, if I understand correctly.

Having said that, my product specialist told me that on the 3.5 it''s 500/4000. (This probably means about 2 minutes at 500 and about 1 minute or less at 4000.)

As Chris mentioned, try adding a few steps after the 500. For example, 1000 and 2000 before the final 4000 grit. Or just try a little polish. By way of comparison, the new Evil Siege is 500, 1000, then 4000.


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Re: Terrible first night with the 3.5
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2010, 10:45:48 AM »
If the C-3.5 is indeed 500/4000 then that explains the aggressiveness of the cover and makes it pretty easy to tame down.

Hit the ball lightly with 500 to get rid of the 4000 finish then go with 1000 and add polish.

If you still need more length hit the ball with the 500 again, then 1000 and then 2000 with the polish.

If that still isn't enough repeat the process but go to 4000. If that still fails, add polish to the 4000.

Oh yeah Barry an old buddy of your's took up residence locally here and came in for some ball work. John Fowler says hi :-)
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