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CharlieBrown

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The end of heavy rolling Brunswick reaction?
« on: November 13, 2008, 08:10:36 PM »
I love the trademark Brunswick heavy mid-lane rolling reaction.

Looking at the new (high performance) line-up, it seems to me Big B is going away from this kind of reaction. The Twisted Fury Pearl, Solid and Destruction all seem to have good natural length and have ‘long and strong’ reaction

The Smash Zone, while it has a similar core to the Inferno, also seems to be longer (although reacts harder at break point off the dry than Inferno).

The Maxx Zone has a Brunswick ‘length rating’ of 45, but has been described as much cleaner than the rating suggested and has a long and strong reaction.

I could be wrong but if I wanted ‘long and strong’, I would go to Storm/Hammer/RotoGrip etc instead, because to me, Brunswick’s appeal has always been the heavy rolling reaction.

My house pattern is usually long with not much movement at the back (at least for me!), and with my style (PAP 4’ 3/8, not much hand), I match up better with a pin-down Big B than anything else, especially the low RG Infernos series (and a few Zones such as Classic / Vapor)

So, is this the end of the trademark Brunswick heavy rolling reaction? Should I ‘stock up’ the last remaining of Total Infernos / Vapor Zones that are still available?

Or am I just mistaken?

Thanks.


ps, I haven’t tried any of the new Big Bs apart from Twisted Fury Pearl (I do have a Fury Pearl NIB). The TFP is a very good ball but I haven’t been able to use it since our house pattern has been made longer and slicker 6/7 months ago.

pps, I have a Cell (good) and a Break S75 (great) but they all seem to be a couple of feet too long for my house pattern. At the moment, I seem to match up best with my Total, Vapor and Absolute.

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JustRico

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Re: The end of heavy rolling Brunswick reaction?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2008, 07:04:03 AM »
Charlie

I know what you are saying, because it does seem to the casual eye, that Brunswick may be losing it trademark appeal, but in reality, they are more at tweaking cores (raising RG's, lowering diffs) to match the stronger, more responsive covers.
The 3 new balls, TFD, MZ & AS are more responsive to friction, down lane, but still have the midlane reaction. What I have seen are they are more continual when they do see friction. Brunswick characteristic has tended to be more of a slower, longer response to friction, known more as a roll-out type look, due to an earlier, smoother reaction in the mids.
Now, to me, they seem to be a bit cleaner ( a couple of feet) before responding, but still read the mids (later) and more continual in the back ends. They do appear to have a slightly non-Brunswick look, but to me, it is more a combination of what makes Brunswick appealing, good mid lane resposnse but now more continual, which I think on softer, higher friction lane surfaces, such as HPL's, tended to be earlier reacting, less in the back, do not see that. They are still manageable with surface, which is always been a plus with Brunswick covers, to control response front to back.

I would not be put off by what you see, I think they are a good compliment to the rest of the Brunswick line-up. Just something a little different.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: The end of heavy rolling Brunswick reaction?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 07:13:13 AM »
Why put all your eggs in one basket?  You need some gear that's early rolling, you need some gear that's got more length and more backend.  You mentioned that Storm's always been known as a long-and-strong company, but lately they've been focusing on improving the midlane read while offering a variety of reactions.  For example, they have a rolly symmetrical heavy oil ball and they also have a big-booming-backend asymmetrical heavy oil ball.  This gives you options for different conditions and different styles.  It's good that Brunswick's offering up more options than just their usual almost-too-rolly reaction.

But reading more from your post, you have trouble with a Cell and a Break S75 going too long??  Something's not adding up here.  Both of those are heavy rolling balls that pick up a lot in the midlane.  I used the Cell on all the longer PBA Experience league patterns and never had trouble with it going too long, and those patterns included 44 feet and 50 feet of oil!  Maybe we need to re-evaluate something about your game that's making you search for a super duper rolly ball reaction.

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Re: The end of heavy rolling Brunswick reaction?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2008, 07:14:03 AM »
Charlie, I shared your "concern" to a degree when I first heard about the new releases.  However, now that I've had a chance to throw the Maxxx Zone and Twisted Fury Destruction, my concerns have been allayed.  While neither ball has the prototypical roll-stop reaction of the Zones of the mid-to-late 1990s, they both do a good job of picking up the midlane, and getting into a good roll in back.  IMO the newer Brunswick releases are much better at handling transition on today's oils and lane surfaces, and have a better look through the pins.
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CharlieBrown

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Re: The end of heavy rolling Brunswick reaction?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 11:28:11 AM »
Thank you for the replies.

Ric, Ray,

That’s reassuring news. The Maxx Zone is definitely on my wish list, but I probably will get another Vapor and save it for rainy days. (I have already 1 x Vapor, 1 x Total, 1 x Absolute, 2 x originals and 1 x Classic all NIBs)

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But reading more from your post, you have trouble with a Cell and a Break S75 going too long??  Something's not adding up here.  Both of those are heavy rolling balls that pick up a lot in the midlane.


Dan,

I think it’s because I have been using nothing but Brunswick in the last 4/5 years (with one or two exceptions), I've got used to the Brunswick heavy roll. So even though the Cell and S75 are 'supposed' to be rollier by R/G and 900 Global's standard, they are still not Big B rolly. I'm sure in time I'll get used to the RG and 900 reaction.

I’m not a high calibre bowler, but I have been working with a coach to match my speed/rev better. (In fact there are more than a few flaws with my game!) I only bowl a handful of tournaments a year, but the main house I bowl in, I just find I match up better with the rolly Brunswick.

The volume of a pattern usually doesn't cause me much problem, it's the length that causes me grief. The Cell reminds me a dull Strom (X-Factor Duece etc) and the S75 with its box finish is long and strong, both very good ball and offer  different looks than my Brunswicks and definitely have a place in my tournaments line-up. They just don't match up well in my home house that's all (in box surface, compare with my Brunswicks).



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Re: The end of heavy rolling Brunswick reaction?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2008, 10:09:44 PM »
hey I visited a pro shop in daly city california called R and J sports. the owner Rick watson seems to have bought all Brunswicks vapors absolute scorchin ragin and ultimate infernos he has hundreds of them I mean it they're stacked to the ceiling no sh******t. so if its some of those balls your after he has them.
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