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Medium Ball for Carrydown
« on: June 13, 2006, 02:08:20 PM »
I have a 15 lb Columbia Action I use for oil. This ball works great for me on fresh oil and stripped backends.  But when the oil starts to carrydown, or they don't strip lanes for leagues, and just put more oil on heads, the ball will make it to pocket but hits weak.  I need a strong medium ball that will handle carrydown.  Any Brunswick suggestions?

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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 10:50:07 PM »
Thanks for the reply.  Good tip on the fingers.  A bowling coach showed me to put pinky right next to ring finger to reduce hook also.



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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 11:01:56 PM »
Go with a compromise of the two balls he listed.  GO with the Vapor Zone.  It has the coverstock of the Absolute with the core of the Zone Classic.  It will handle more oil than the ZC with more hook on the backend than the AI.  Best of both worlds.
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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 11:24:37 PM »
Thanks for the reply, Steven. I don't have a lot of revs but do have a lot of ball speed so if Vapor Zone has a lot of backend that may do well for me.

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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2006, 12:41:24 AM »
The Action rolls early in heavy oil for me which is great.  Once it hits dry it hooks in nice arc and rolls into pocket.  Great carry on dry backends. But with carrydown it seems to keep hooking into pocket without reading lane.  I know I could probably sand it but it works so great with fresh oil and dry backs I don't want to mess with it.  I have really been considering a lightly loaded particle ball like the Storm Pyro. And I wanted to see what Brunswick bowlers thought would work good also. I asked Columbia what they thought and the factory said the Action.  

Thanks for the replies.  I appreciate the different views and input. I usually target 1st arrow or b/t 1st and 2 nd arrow, right foot starting at 8-17 depending on the ball, and lane conditions.  I don't have enough revs to play deep inside line.

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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 02:23:08 AM »
Ambush. Period.

Good length in the heads and traction when you need it, not overly aggressive and a good choice for late, oily games.

When things dry up I must say that I am very impressed with MoRich's Sahara.
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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 07:35:58 AM »
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The Action is a low RG solid reactive. If that's not handling carrydown for you...you pretty much have to go particle. I know Columbia has a lot of choices there, but with Brunswick your choices are the Impulse Zone or BVP Ambush.
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I have to agree here. The Action with box surface handles more oil than the polished Vaopr Zone and Absolute Inferno. You need more surface like a Nemesis of rougher, not polished particle balls. If the Action isn't enough, the polished Ambush MIGHT not be also. A lot depends on your hand and how you play the lanes.

Have you tried to circle (go outside) the carrydown or to move inside it, with the Action?

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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2006, 11:25:37 AM »
Hi Charlest, I have had decent luck throwing a Flipside Panic, a polished pearl reactive ball, standing on 17 and throwing to 5.  This ball will strike here and playing this line it seems to go around carrydown, and make a backend snap to pocket.  At this place to right of 5 (1st arrow) is out of bounds so there isn't much margin of error.  I didn't try deep inside but my partner with a Crossfire was standing on about 20 and playing b/t 2nd and 3rd arrow.  He usually throws a lot of strikes, very high rev, medium speed.  But he had horrible ball reaction, worst splits I have ever seen.  He bowled 146, 124, 146.  I bowled 167, 134 (first 5 frames open with Action then switched to Panic) then 167.  The week before he averaged about 200 on good lanes, and I beat him on good lane conditions.  They don't strip the lanes at all for whole weekend sometimes for this Sunday night league.  To me, this is the toughest place to bowl at times. But my buddy works second shift so Sunday night is only time we can bowl together in league.

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ps if I try playing deep inside line I usually throw through breakpoint.  Too much speed and not enough hand.
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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2006, 06:26:18 PM »
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Hi Charlest, I have had decent luck throwing a Flipside Panic, a polished pearl reactive ball, standing on 17 and throwing to 5.  This ball will strike here and playing this line it seems to go around carrydown, and make a backend snap to pocket.  


The fact that yo ucan even use this ball at all (SOOOO much weaker than an Aciton, relatively speaking) indicates that not only is there carrydown, BUT ALSO the midlane and possibly the heads have got significantly drier. Small wonder the Action isn't making the turn.

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At this place to right of 5 (1st arrow) is out of bounds so there isn't much margin of error.  I didn't try deep inside but my partner with a Crossfire was standing on about 20 and playing b/t 2nd and 3rd arrow.  He usually throws a lot of strikes, very high rev, medium speed.  But he had horrible ball reaction, worst splits I have ever seen.  He bowled 146, 124, 146.  I bowled 167, 134 (first 5 frames open with Action then switched to Panic) then 167.  The week before he averaged about 200 on good lanes, and I beat him on good lane conditions.  They don't strip the lanes at all for whole weekend sometimes for this Sunday night league.  To me, this is the toughest place to bowl at times. But my buddy works second shift so Sunday night is only time we can bowl together in league.

Mark

ps if I try playing deep inside line I usually throw through breakpoint.  Too much speed and not enough hand.


What can be used is a strongish ball (maybe a U-Turn Particle pearl, or similar (IF your strong ball is an Action and your weaker ball is a Panic)) ) drilled with a high, far pin posiiton like above the bridge or above the ring finger with the CG/MB kicked out and a weight hole. Thkis allows you to play deeper, but you play for a breakpoint inside your normal one by 2-5 boards, depending on circumstances. Of course, this is if you have an arsenal of 5-8 balls! A normal arsenal of 3-5 balls may not include such a "weapon".

BUT if the Panic is circling the carrydown and clearing the heads and the midlane, that sounds like you have the problem solved. I am getting to know the Panic, as I just drilled one up and used it for a couple of games of practice. While it's weaker than an Action, it is NOT a weak ball.


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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2006, 08:35:00 PM »
Vapor zone is the BEST ball I have used for this condition period!
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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2006, 11:37:02 PM »
Hi Charlest.  You are right the Flipside Panic is supposed to be a dry lane ball, but belive me, if you have some dry boards it has a surprising amount of backend. It obviously gets through the heads really clean, because it has such a low rg differential(very low flaring in oil) but on the backends it can hook a ton, especially if you put some hand to it.  I really like it and have only thrown it for maybe two entire games. So I need to learn it more.  The Panic has the pin above the ring and a little to right like a Brunswick 2L pattern or a Brian Kretzer pattern.  I posted this same question(carrydown ball) on Columbia site a few weeks ago and really got no Columbia recommendations,(but I did make a great new friend!!!) but the U turn Particle pearl is a ball I wondered about.

So far, it seems the Brunswick responses favor the Vapor Zone and Ambush, and Storm is Pyro or Fired Up.

I would like to get a ball for this niche.  And I think it would work in a lot of medium conditions also.

You guys on the Brunswick site get an A+ for helpfulness!!!

Thanks to all who replied so far.

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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2006, 10:37:18 PM »
Thanks to all who replied.  I bought a Brunswick BVP Ambush 15lb tonight from a pro shop owner who met me after hours, had me bowl, so he could find my pap, first with oil line, then with tape as he watched my release.  He then laid out my ball, recored everything in computer.  They had lanes shut down, ran the oil machine, then turned one on for me.  With fresh oil and stripped backends on a wooden lane, the Ambush outhooked my Action by 5 to 6 boards on backend.  And I was throwing one strike after the other with the Action!!!  This ball promises to be a killer on the carrydown conditions at the synthetic lanes. Drilled like Brunswick 2E with the pin right under my ring.
I also had him drill up a 14lb target zone so I could have a straight ball to throw spares.  First two of 3 balls I threw with it were straight balls and strikes. Man was I having fun. The pro shop guy and the bowler next to me ( a big hook bowler) were just cracking up!!!

I am going to need a ball to replace my Detour for medium oil as the guy who drilled it (not the guy I met tonight!!!) screwed it up and the pin is only 2-1/2 inches from my PAP.  No wonder it starts up so early and hooks off the map.  Maybe the Vapor Zone would be that ball.

Thanks again to all who replied.

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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2006, 10:46:59 PM »
ps Brandon,  this Pro shop guy had 3 Zone Classics 15 lbs that were slight color blems only for $50 each!!!      It would be worth having one, especially at that price.  I think that is a stonger ball than my Flipside as it only had an rg differential of .025.

Thanks for your replies, Brandon.  I'll let you know how the Ambush works.

arsenal now is

Action-Heavy oil                        15lb
Ambush-Heavy oil with carrydown
Detour-medium oil-(need to replace)
Flipside Panic-Dry lanes
Target Zone 14lb-Straight ball for spares

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Re: Medium Ball for Carrydown
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2006, 10:58:29 AM »
an agressive original inferno or a vapor zone.  they haven't failed me yet.



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