Author Topic: Clarity on Blems (Read 8163 times)

Dewey24 · « **on:** January 09, 2009, 07:55:03 AM »

Don't want to turn this into a pissing match with other companies starting S**T. I was just hoping if one of the Bruns guys could help me understand what constitutes a blem. I have the chance to pick up a avalanche slide blem and just want to know if it is worth spending the money. Are their certain guidelines to the whole process as far as the ball is oval vs the color is to dark. Any help you can give to help me understand the process is greatly appreciated. Again if you are looking for a place to make negative Brunswick comments place find somewhere else.

Dewey24 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2009, 05:52:24 AM »

Thank you everyone for your input. Just a follow up, I ordered a Twisted Fury Destruction blem and a Slide blem. The TFD has a one inch pin and the colors are close. The slide looks like it might have just been a color problem. Overall two balls for the price of one is a great deal. Again thanks for the input!

missed messenger · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2009, 09:59:00 AM »

Imagine how many blems not marked are sold at the booth during Nationals as 1st just because they don't mark the balls as blems.

Mike Austin · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2009, 03:57:04 PM »

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http://forums.hammerbowling.com/showthread.php?t=7743
http://www.bowling.com/products/elite-pba-platinum-blem-2nd.htm
http://www.rotogrip.com/company/faq.asp
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/glossary.asp (notice here it says pins beyond 4" are considered blems.)
http://www.bowlingdeals.com/Bowling-Ball-2990/Track-Freak-A-Zoid-2nd.html
http://www.bowling.com/products/hammer-black-widow-limited-x-out.htm

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Every one of your links proved my statement, thanks very much. Elites balls were blems for color problems, didn't say anything about pin distance. Bowlingballreviews is a web site, not a manufacturer, they have a right to their opinion. Rotogrip's link mentioned out of line cg's, nothing about pin distance. The first link on the Hammer forum shows a Pro Cg Storm ball, doesn't have anything to do with pin distance.

Nothing wrong with 0-1 pins and 4+ pins. In some ways these balls are more versatile, in some ways not so much. These specs in and of themselves do not make the balls blems. 5 or 6+ pins, those are probably not so nice. Roto's site said they mark the balls with an X by the serial number. Have seen many of these Storm made balls. Usually nothing wrong them and they will save you money. Pro CG balls can be pretty sweet too, if you get the cg in the right position.

Many blemished balls are marked on the ball, specially Storm's with their C's and X's on the bottom of the ball by the serial number. Some companies mark the boxes that the balls come in.

No distributors knowingly sell factory blems at regular wholesale. I've been in the industry a long time, and 4-5 pins and 0-1 pins are not considered blemishes.

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BeansProShop · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2009, 10:14:35 AM »

I have to agree with Mike here. A 0-1 and a 4-5 pin are not blems. I am the king of the blem and have sold well over 1000 from all manufacturers including Bonanzas and Regency's which are the same as the logo balls they have now. The difference is that the USBC wants each company to pay to approve every single Bonanza color and core combo. So the companies figured they can sell the balls with the logo's on them at a higher price just by marking X-Comp,X-Blem,X-Out or 2nd on them..

The reason that distributors usually sell the 0-1 and 4-5 pins cheaper is becasue they get stuck with more becasue most customers and pro shop operators are suckered into believing that 1-2,2-3 and 3-4 pins are superior. If that is the case than that defeats your whole CGNOMADDAH theory...

I have been in contact with many brand managers and RD dierectors and there are always other problems with the balls. Color blems, out of line MB's or 5+" pins and super high or low tops weights. Many different reasons....

The statement that 0-1 and 4-5 are all considered blems is just not correct. The statement is too general.

I happen to know Mike Austin from the booth last year and he is a PBA Champion and pro shop operator for a long time and "VERY" knowledgable. He is also very modest and would not post something that was not researched first..

BUT KEEP THE LANE#1 BASHING TO A MINIMUM THERE MIKEY!!!! Lol!

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johns811 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 16, 2009, 10:34:27 AM »

Mike is right on the ball (pun intended) here and doubting his knowledge and experience is foolish.

0-1" pin would be an ideal non blem ball of choice if low pin drilling is desired.
4+" pin would be an ideal non blem ball of choice if a high pin or pin on axis is desired.

Mike Austin · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2009, 05:05:04 PM »

Beans,

No Lane #1 bashing from me. I think all the arguing is funny. Craig at Lane #1 treated me awesome and still emails from time to time. Never had any issues with that company, MAP, no MAP, whatever. Lane #1 balls sold well for me, even at MAP.

I'm not worried about the CG madda stuff, I drilled the balls and they rolled well, quality was always good.

Sawingem,

I don't have to call any RD guys at the factories, I can call a rep from every company, that I've known for many years. I'm sorry that you found a few shops that sold blems as regulars, but not this guy. Like Beans, I loved selling blems, but I always told the buyer what he/she was getting. You can bash on me all you want, I don't get upset. I know what I know, and many others know I know my stuff too. I've never bashed anyone in the Lane #1 Forum, and rarely anywhere else for that matter. I'm not gonna bash you, it's pointless.

Like I said, the distributors order 500 or more of Ball K, they get some with 0-1 pins every time. They get some with 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, and 4-5 too. Sometimes 5+. As long as the color is right, logos are right, cg falls in line with the pin/mb line to their tolerance, the ball is not a blem. Even then some balls slip out of the factories, cg's miss marked, logos crooked, logos wrong place, logos missing, most of the time there's nothing wrong with these balls either. Now maybe you and your pro shop guy believe that 0-1 and 4+ pin balls are blems, you believe what you want. That is not the consensus in the industry.

Come to think of it, I have received 0-1 and 4-5 pin Lane #1 balls in the past. When Craig took my order, he asked me what pin distances I wanted, and the large majority of the time, I told him it didn't matter, send me what he had the most of. I can make 'em all work.

Have a great weekend youse guys!!

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