Author Topic: Question on a new ball (Read 4192 times)

Motogp69 · « **on:** March 06, 2008, 10:26:45 AM »

I'm looking to get a new Arsenal I've really tired of the Hammer and Ebonite stuff. I never believed the ball death stigma until the last month when I've had my BWP and Gamebreaker become very expensive paperweights. My Ebonite Ice is more angular than my BWP now.

Anyways, I'm looking at moving back into Brunswick and Storm stuff to compliment my Morich equipment. I made the move to 15 and my ball speed has become a serious issue, I just can't slow it down even starting the ball way below my waist. Should I make the move back up to 16 to slow me down? I was just curious about everyone's thoughts? my gut tells me it's the right move, but I know there are some pretty reputable people on here that could help me with some further insight on the possible change.

rhbowling07 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2008, 06:33:58 PM »

y are you looking to throw your ball speed down?

NicholasE · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2008, 06:46:55 PM »

ball speed is a good thing if you can adjust to it. Don't worry about slowing down just move a little right (if you're a righty) and compensate for it.
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Motogp69 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2008, 08:36:36 PM »

My high ball speed is fine on a house pattern, but it's gotten so fast with 15lbs that I've lost a lot of my touch I had on much tougher patterns.

It hasn't effected my aim at all I still hit my marks, but sometimes the ball just hangs to long before it makes it's move to the pocket. The equipment is awesome when the outsides are in play, but I made a living using the big wheel and on tough patterns that's a no go thus far.

If I try and slow wheel it, the ball doesn't make it down the pattern before crossing over. I just need to slow down, and I can't seem to get my ball speed low enough on tough patterns that I ever feel comfortable. I just figured the heavier weight would slow me down and get me back in that comfort zone.

NicholasE · « **Reply #4 on:** March 06, 2008, 08:41:13 PM »

well it definently will slow you down but for me I'm playing up the first and second arrow with all my shots on the PBA shots. I can't hook a sport pattern either because its too hard to be accurate so I play the straighter lines around 17-19MPH depending on the length of the pattern. I will bet you if you play straighter the scores will increase. I just started that way, I was at a 143 avg and in the past few weeks have went up to 161 on the PBA experience league. My biggest problem is accuracy playing the hook but the first night I played up the 2nd arrow and out to the 7 board or so I shot a 241 on the scorpion so give the straight line a chance. I've been having much more better games playing up the 1st and 2nd arrows.
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Motogp69 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 06, 2008, 10:07:33 PM »

It's not a matter of average, even when I can't carry consistently I always shoot par, but in a real tournament outside of PBA pattern league those extra pins mean a better check, and another week being able to afford to chase the dream.

I can average 200+ with a white dot, I can play up the boards and yes with 15lbs playing up the boards is much better than 16 from my experience, but I'm willing to give a little in terms of playing up the boards in order to have the whole lane at my disposal. Ball speed is everything to my style, and if I can't control that then I'm just another league bowler.

« **Reply #6 on:** March 06, 2008, 10:20:30 PM »

Sounds like you're probably generating lots of speed with your feet. Learn to move forward on the approach to slow your ball down a little, thus opening up the lane more, too.

I'm not a fan of many guys going to 16 lbs. because most of us release the 15s better. Bowling is about being able to repeat good shots, so if your release is better with 15 you should stay there. Good luck. Let us know how we can help...

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Motogp69 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2008, 12:27:28 PM »

Notclay I appreciate the suggestion, but I already do that. I worked with a few of the reps from Ebonite, and that was the first thing we did moving me from the back dots to the front. I made the move to 15, because I hurt my back and it seemed that's where everyone was going with equipment anyways. The reason I want to move back up is the Brunswick stuff fits my eye quite well, but it hits like a cupcake at 15. I had an absolute and radical inferno that I could do whatever I wanted with, but the only way I could get them to carry at 15 was to add some loft. I was wondering if now that my back is healed and I go back up to 16 if that would remedy that problem?

Before anyone answers I did try other layouts, surfaces, etc...I worked in a shop and I coached...I was just curious if from anyone else's experience the move up would rememdy the cupcake factor.

I basically want to throw Storm and Brunswick stuff, because I'm a little over Hopkinsville, KY at the moment. They've lost me as a customer because I'm not sold on the oil absorption stuff, I think it's just forcing me to buy a new ball a lot sooner than I had planned because of ball death.

Ahhbach · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2008, 02:51:35 PM »

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My Lane #1 and Storm bowling balls are still rolling strong after months of league and pot games.

Save yourself some frustration and money - Buy from a company like Storm or Lane #1 that stands behind their products.

From what I've gathered, unlike Storm and Lane #1, Brunswick isn't set up to handle customer issues.

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^^^^^^ I believe this would be another example of Trolling... ^^^^^

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Nick,

Why are you trolling here? No one wants to hear what you have to say in this forum.
The HRG has a higher Durometer reading, tighten up your line and throw it the way it was intended to be played.

Next Time look in the D@mn mirror

Ahh
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Verbs · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2008, 03:50:14 PM »

Could be time to add to my ignore list.
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Motogp69 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2008, 07:28:07 PM »

Leave my topic alone. I never mentioned Brunswick, and I don't even have a problem with Ebonite, they make great balls I just don't like the fact that no matter how good you take care of them they won't last as long as others. I'm sure Ebonite will eventually move away from the oil sucking covers, but for right now I won't use any of their brands. As for Brunswick I worked in a pro shop and I've never had an issue with the Big B or any manufacturer for that matter.

I want honest opinions about my concerns about moving from 15 to 16, so look at all of my posts and if you have a real opinion I'd be happy to hear it, but if you're just trying to hijack this thread and troll because you have a beef with another manufacturer get your rocks off some where else.

thank you

Mike Austin · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2008, 11:11:32 PM »

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Leave my topic alone. I never mentioned Brunswick, and I don't even have a problem with Ebonite, they make great balls I just don't like the fact that no matter how good you take care of them they won't last as long as others. I'm sure Ebonite will eventually move away from the oil sucking covers, but for right now I won't use any of their brands. As for Brunswick I worked in a pro shop and I've never had an issue with the Big B or any manufacturer for that matter.

I want honest opinions about my concerns about moving from 15 to 16, so look at all of my posts and if you have a real opinion I'd be happy to hear it, but if you're just trying to hijack this thread and troll because you have a beef with another manufacturer get your rocks off some where else.

thank you

Nice!!

Why did you move down to 15? Most players with above average ball speed can stay at 16. What is your rev rate?

I would think you would like some of the Brunswick stuff as it revs up faster than many other companies, usually a good match with high ball speed. Brunswick and 16lbs should slow you down/help you match up better.
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Motogp69 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2008, 08:11:03 AM »

Mike that is exactly what I was thinking. I moved down due to injury not, because it was something I wanted to do. I've always been a pretty strong guy I played 3 sports in high school and college along with bowling. Speed is the biggest key to my game and sometimes I get to fast. I'm a high speed and High Rev guy so I need that extra pound to slow me down anyway that I can. I've learned to control my speed with 15, but it's not as natural as it was at 16 and really I'd be fine with staying at 15, but the stuff just hits like a cupcake for me. It's like the balls hook to much, I never had a problem with hook in the first place...so adding more with the lower weight wasn't the best thing for me. For most they gain control with a lighter weight, for me it seems like I've lost control and feel with the lighter weight.

Mike Austin · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2008, 06:03:20 PM »

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Mike that is exactly what I was thinking. I moved down due to injury not, because it was something I wanted to do. I've always been a pretty strong guy I played 3 sports in high school and college along with bowling. Speed is the biggest key to my game and sometimes I get to fast. I'm a high speed and High Rev guy so I need that extra pound to slow me down anyway that I can. I've learned to control my speed with 15, but it's not as natural as it was at 16 and really I'd be fine with staying at 15, but the stuff just hits like a cupcake for me. It's like the balls hook to much, I never had a problem with hook in the first place...so adding more with the lower weight wasn't the best thing for me. For most they gain control with a lighter weight, for me it seems like I've lost control and feel with the lighter weight.

It is easier to spin a lighter ball. With your high rev rate, you must be able to spin the ball more easily. You probably increased your rev rate more than you increased your speed, that would seem like to make the ball hook more.

I think staying with 16 and trying to change other facets of your game to get around the injury. I'm a big proponent of the "Less Is More" theory. Relaxing your hand, freeing up your swing, and not "trying" to rev it so much. But then again you didn't say what your injury was/is and if you are having any pain.

Pain from injury can cause problems,and make you do things differently to get around the pain. Oh man have I got a couple personal stories about that.

Hang in there!

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Motogp69 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 11, 2008, 11:00:49 AM »

Yeah, what happened was I was rear ended on my motorcycle by an explorer and they sent me sliding. I got minor road rash from that, but when I gathered myself and tried to stand my bike back up my back went out and for a month it hurt to bend over or stand up straight. The pain comes and goes, but most of the pain I have now is because of the weight I gained not being able to do anything.

For me the change to 15lbs gave me less control, because I already threw 16 pretty fast. As for revs I already had, and the gain in ball speed led to a lot of balls being amped up through the breakpoint on tough shots. I'm back in the gym and for me the biggest concern is that I can't feel the weight of the ball through the swing. Even when I'm really taking all the muscle out of the ball I used to have a very good sense of where the balls was in the swing so if something happened I could make adjustments before the release if I sensed something went wrong. It's sad, that 1 pound makes a difference, but when your bowling 10+ games in a tournament it's really easy for me to lose the feeling of a 15. I never experienced that with 16.

Other than that I tried some of the infernos while I was injured at 15, and the brunswick stuff rolled awesome for me, but they just hit like cupcakes at the pins. I was hoping that ball weight might rectify that. For me it seemed like they hit so hard that I was to often getting in the pocket with to much power and angle.

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