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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: jjlamoroso on October 12, 2005, 11:28:30 PM

Title: Vapor Zone
Post by: jjlamoroso on October 12, 2005, 11:28:30 PM: As mentioned previously, this ball has the coverstock
of the Absolute, Activator+, with another color,blue pearl.
Core of the Classic.
Same cover finish of the Abs, 220 grit + rough buff.

Brunswick characteristics:

Hook potential: 130
Length: 100
Typical breakpoint shape: 90
Position on the Brunswick Chart: P8
Available in 12-16 lbs.
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: dizzyfugu on October 13, 2005, 07:49:50 AM: If this is correct (and why should there be any doubt?), then the VZ is either pretty pointless, or it is the final sign that the Infernos are about to disappear... much like the ZC replaced the OI and ran in parallel for some time to introduce the Zone line.
With these specs, the VZ is 90+% the same as the AI, just with the asymmetric core drilling option. The UI has already been "replaced" by the SZ, the RI by the IZ. I am just wondering why they came out with the SI (which is agood ball) still under the Inferno label?

Thank you for the specs. Any info on the BVP Ambush yet? I'd like to know where it will fit.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: jjlamoroso on October 13, 2005, 08:02:05 AM: VZ being also a bit more angular compared to the AI.
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: shelley on October 13, 2005, 08:34:07 AM: quote:
The Zone series offers similar reactions to the Inferno series but for people who prefer the Asymmetric look. There not ment to replace the high performance lines.

They're also a little cheaper.

SH
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: dizzyfugu on October 13, 2005, 08:55:20 AM: Yes, true, cheaper and different core. But, nevertheless, two balls THAT similar does not make much sense to me? Brusnwick's asymmetrics are not that strong that there should be a big reaction difference?
The VZ does not fill a gap IMHO, which the Ambush does.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: Brandon Riley on October 13, 2005, 01:22:09 PM: 220 grit?! u mean 1200???
220 would hook while its in my backswing!!
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: RSalas on October 13, 2005, 01:25:04 PM: quote:
220 grit?! u mean 1200???
220 would hook while its in my backswing!!

220 with Rough Buff is the same box finish as the Absolute.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: stanski on October 13, 2005, 03:03:17 PM: quote:
Yes, true, cheaper and different core. But, nevertheless, two balls THAT similar does not make much sense to me? Brusnwick's asymmetrics are not that strong that there should be a big reaction difference?
The VZ does not fill a gap IMHO, which the Ambush does.
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Same as Ultimate Inferno-Strike zone. Basically, Brunswick takes the most popular coverstock out of the high performance line from the previous year, throws an assymetrical core in it with somewhat similar stats, and makes a fortune. Why you would buy an still buy an ai, inferno, or ultimate inferno when you have such similar balls really boggles my mind. Like you can't drill the damn ball to react nearly identical to the high performance counterpart?
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: shelley on October 13, 2005, 05:14:16 PM: quote:
Like you can't drill the damn ball to react nearly identical to the high performance counterpart?

But it would still be asymmetrical. Some people just don't like asymmetrics. The high-performance version also comes out, what, six or eight months earlier than the Zone version.

SH
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on October 13, 2005, 05:31:14 PM: quote:
Are there pictures of these balls yet?
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: RSalas on October 13, 2005, 05:32:28 PM: quote:
Should I make some sketches?

No, you're sketchy enough as it is.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on October 13, 2005, 05:39:16 PM: Quiet YOU!
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: xratedbowler on October 13, 2005, 06:27:39 PM: so...the vapor zone is similar to the ai....of course not the same but just similar...if i drilled a vapor zone the same as my ai...i would get the same reaction...so bascially if this is true then brunswick is trying to sell more ai's under a diffrnt name...huh?
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsBob on October 13, 2005, 07:01:03 PM: I personally see enough difference between the symetrical and asymetrical to warrant there being both lines with the same covers. I don't care for asymetrics for my game, but many bowlers prefer them. This is the reason we do what we do, to accomodate all needs with a complete selection. In no way are we attempting to sell the "same" ball under different names. Some pro shops love the asymetrics, some don't. There will always be a need for both.

RoB LAW

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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 13, 2005, 07:26:23 PM: I love this site.

A US open champ and the holder of the highest lefty righty sets of all time!!

given us this the skinny.

I just wish he'd teach me to be 1/2 as great a right left switcher as he is!

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: xratedbowler on October 13, 2005, 08:10:19 PM: so whats going to be the asking price for vapor zone?

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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: stanski on October 13, 2005, 08:20:03 PM: quote:
so...the vapor zone is similar to the ai....of course not the same but just similar...if i drilled a vapor zone the same as my ai...i would get the same reaction...so bascially if this is true then brunswick is trying to sell more ai's under a diffrnt name...huh?
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No.

If you drilled the assymetric in a certain way, then the react will be nearly identical to the symmetric drilled somewhat differently.

Personally, I don't care asymmetric vs. symmetric, as long as the ball does what its supposed to. Love my weapon of mass bias, also love my flash point, both give me the reactions i wanted out of the ball. That is the bottom line, period.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BallsDeep on October 14, 2005, 02:28:50 PM: The listed color is kinda vague. Blue. I certainly don't think that they will make the ball look identical to the Classic, whats the difference?

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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: jjlamoroso on October 14, 2005, 07:23:05 PM: Ballsdeep, I could precise the color of the ball,
but it's so stupid...
If the color of the ball is so important for you,
go to the Target Zones, so pretty!
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BallsDeep on October 14, 2005, 08:52:46 PM: First of all, the classic, first edition (not the color blems that came out later) was blue. Second, jjlamoroso, color is not that important to me. You have told us all the composition of the ball and I understand that well (being an owner of all the asyms from the classic on and all the infernos from the ultimate on). I just asked a simple question for sh*ts N' giggles. So amuse me and tell me the freakin' color in some detail.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: a_ak57 on October 14, 2005, 08:55:20 PM: Hmm? I had never heard of the story saying that all the purple zone classics are color blems and the real ones are blue...Guess that means every one I've seen is a blem and I've never seen a real one...

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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on October 14, 2005, 09:12:49 PM: quote:

Yup.

Yup.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: Mike Austin on October 14, 2005, 09:47:53 PM: quote:

quote:

Yup.

Yup.
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Yup
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: sportbowler on October 14, 2005, 10:32:45 PM: quote:
quote:

quote:

Yup.

Yup.
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Duh. Yup.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: jjlamoroso on October 15, 2005, 07:30:30 AM: Ballsdeep, the blue is...Hmm, oh yes! It's just
the same blue as my favorite tie!
Hope that helped.
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BallsDeep on October 17, 2005, 02:30:29 PM: I've never seen your tie. Is it the same shade as your balls?
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: xratedbowler on October 17, 2005, 03:23:35 PM: lol....thaT SH1T WAS FUNNY....ITS PROBALY BECAUSE YOU WONT GIVE HIM NONE!
just kidding guys dont get all twisted!
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: a_ak57 on October 17, 2005, 03:27:20 PM: quote:
quote:
quote:

quote:

Yup.

Yup.
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Duh. Yup.
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Yupp
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: RSalas on October 17, 2005, 03:42:01 PM: quote:
quote:
Classic's are purple. End of story.
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Yup.

Except for the ones that aren't.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: lane1convert on October 17, 2005, 04:59:46 PM: I just saw the Vapor and the Ambush today, and I'll have to say the Vapor looks a lot like the Classic, being that I am color blind and all. The Vapor is blue, with some hints of greenish/turquoise in it.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsBob on October 17, 2005, 05:08:30 PM: My sample ball is mostly a tealish blue with purple mix. Very nice. Nothing close to the Classic, or any other Brunswick ball.

RoB LAW

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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: sportbowler on October 17, 2005, 05:09:54 PM: quote:
My sample ball is mostly a tealish blue with purple mix. Very nice. Nothing close to the Classic, or any other Brunswick ball.

RoB LAW

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Looks like it's back to the left side again for me.
ALL BRUNSWICK...ALL THE TIME !!!

Brunbert Von Leftwich

Any way you can get a picture up?
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: jjlamoroso on October 17, 2005, 06:42:00 PM: quote:
I've never seen your tie. Is it the same shade as your balls?
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No, it's more the blue of your hemorrhoids.
Ask your boyfriend or check it in a mirror.
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on October 17, 2005, 06:44:57 PM: quote:
quote:
My sample ball is mostly a tealish blue with purple mix. Very nice. Nothing close to the Classic, or any other Brunswick ball.

RoB LAW

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Looks like it's back to the left side again for me.
ALL BRUNSWICK...ALL THE TIME !!!

Brunbert Von Leftwich

Any way you can get a picture up?
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LOL, LaW get pics up? Only if there is a mechanical pig involved. LOL
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsBob on October 18, 2005, 03:29:02 PM: I havn't figured out how to get photos from a disposable camera onto my computer. I held one up to the screen hoping it would transfer over, but nuthin' happened.

As far as my earlier comments about asymetricals, seems I might have spoke to soon. In the last few days I finally got back to throwing righthanded after a 1 1/2 year layoff from injuries. My buddy in the shop talked me into drilling a Strike Zone before league last night (I bowled the first 4 weeks as a lefty). My Lord is this ball sweet. I'm still a little bit of a gimp, but I shot 947 for 4. Granted, they were a bit playable, but this ball did stuff my OI wouldn't do. And yes, it was basically an Ultimate with more angularity on the back......and hit like a truck. Gonna go try an Absolute for the first time right now.

RoB LAW
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Edited on 10/18/2005 8:43 PM
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: xratedbowler on October 18, 2005, 05:48:42 PM: so the balls are coming put around first of november but we cant get peek. man nick you suck.
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: sportbowler on October 18, 2005, 05:56:28 PM: quote:
so the balls are coming put around first of november but we cant get peek. man nick you suck.
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Great! Now you are going to make him cry!
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: xratedbowler on October 18, 2005, 05:58:40 PM: hes supposed to be the man but......i dont know about that anymore?
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Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: thajiggaman on October 18, 2005, 06:01:45 PM: my proshop just got them in yesterday. if i remember, i will take a few pics tonight while im there.
Title: Re: Vapor Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on October 18, 2005, 06:19:22 PM: quote:
quote:
so the balls are coming put around first of november but we cant get peek. man nick you suck.
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Great! Now you are going to make him cry!
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Brunswick.
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*starting to get misty*
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