Author Topic: Vapor Zone a dud?? Brunsnick?? (Read 6198 times)

BrunsMike · « **on:** March 19, 2006, 03:17:07 PM »

Okay, Ive been watching everyone else with their vapor zone and my ball just dont hook like im seeing these other balls do. Heres the layout:

----O-O`-
------'--
-----O---
--*------

` = Pin
' = CG
* = MB
Theres no x-hole. Let me know what you guys think cause with this my ball just doesnt snap on the backend like I expected. My Rampage has more backend then my VZ! Im thinking about plugging and redrilling it like this:

----O`O
-------'
-----O----
--------*

Pin up a little higher then that but thats a general idea im thinking.
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NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (2004/2005)194

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BrunsNick · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:36:23 PM »

I'd definately get that PSA in a stronger location, and the pin above the fingers if you want to see more reaction off the dry!
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bobbo485 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:48:34 PM »

ditto brunsnick---that psa is weak. i had a warp zone with that drilling and it might as well be useless. i woul have it redrilled stronger....

---O-O`--
------'-
----O----
--------*

maybe? just a thought.

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BrunsMike · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:58:56 PM »

my renderings didnt quite workout well. The pin,cg,psa are not in a straight line, wish they were! I told my previous driller to make this ball strong i guess he thought I had more hand then what i really have. Everyone elses VZ has the PSA either 1" from the thumb to the left (righty) or actually on the right side of the thumb. I should also add, my track is RIGHT over the PSA, not sure if thats good. The Pin to PSA in a straight line, the cg would be about 1.5" right of that line, this ball would be a leftys gold nugget for hook, i might have to put Pin over middle finger with CG kicked right and put the PSA 1-2" right of thumb, see what that does. Thanks guys.

Ohh, this ball in this drilling does not do well in carry down at all. I also dont wanna make this ball out hook my The ONE although i find that very hard to make happen. Thanks again.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (2004/2005)194

Tweener by day, Stroker by night

HamPster · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2006, 12:08:12 AM »

From what I've seen, most of the Zone line reacts best if you have the psa pretty close to your thumb, but still on the right side (if you're a righty). My CZ red pin has the psa dead center of my thumbhole, and it rolls awesome. The boss has a Vapor Zone, and the psa is kicked out a couple inches, doesn't roll so well. His Impulse had the psa kicked out too, and it didn't roll so great either. My Strike didn't roll so well with the psa kicked out until I redrilled it with the pin closer to my pap and the psa about an inch right of the thumb, then it was freakin awesome. The Zone line DEFINITELY doesn't react so hot if your psa is in the track, I'm not surprised it's not doing much for you. LOVE the Zone line though. Drill them right, and you won't find anything better.
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BrunsMike · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:10:40 AM »

I think the original driller doesnt know alot about asymetric balls and how to drill them for a persons style. I dont think he knew exactly where my pap is nor does he know where I track. I track very high, I sometimes clip my minddle finger on the VZ with its current drill. Maybe with the new drilling the ball wont track as high.

Thanks to everyone who responded. I thought I knew something wasnt right here just wanted to get other thoughts. And the previous poster is right, my VZ rolls okay but its very picky.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (2004/2005)194

Tweener by day, Stroker by night

splendorlex · « **Reply #6 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:18:29 AM »

Where did you get the ball drilled, Mike? I finally found a driller I really like in Lake County, but he's a bit far from you in the Zone in Lake Zurich.

BrunsMike · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:38:22 AM »

quote:
Where did you get the ball drilled, Mike? I finally found a driller I really like in Lake County, but he's a bit far from you in the Zone in Lake Zurich.

This and the Rampage were both drilled by Tim at Sheridan Lanes. He does a great job making sure the ball fits my hand good but in this particular ball, he did not look at my pap, revs, track line, ect.. Im not blaming him for a bad job, I am blaming him for not looking into my game. Those things come into play with an Asymetrical ball more so then a ball in the BVP line persay. I currently goto Jimmy Erickson at Sunset Lanes. He drilled up my Ebonite The ONE and I absolutely love it and the drilling. Of course the PSA on my one is in the very strong position plus, he took time to see me roll a few balls watching the revs and measured my pap on a plastic ball. Tim did not do this.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (2004/2005)194
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006

Edited on 3/20/2006 12:39 PM

high_revs · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2006, 11:14:24 AM »

My Zone Classic RP is drilled similar to IL_Bowler (also right-handed). My track clips my thumb hole (i'm a high-revver & high tracker). I'm getting it plugged & redrilled. What would be a good strong layout. I want a layout that gets into a roll earlier with backend if possible.

pin = where?
cg = where?
mb = where?

thanks

Bluff · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2006, 11:35:05 AM »

don't redrilled it!! keep it like that and use it on reverse block! you will like it

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2006, 11:56:23 AM »

IF your driller could read...the drilling instructions SPECIFICALLY warn against this drilling on these balls with this core....

STrike Zone, Zone Classic, VApor Zone, Impulse Zone, ....

In fact all strong mass bias balls(above .018 warn against this negative psa setting).

It seems someone asked about this on here and I guess it was not you....

Leaves ball confused which way to go...

Some releases can get away with this but not you.

In general the new breeds of mass bias balls stronger than .018 cannot have the mass bias farther than about 6 to 6 1/2 from pap which for many is below thumb in order to avoid this problem.

Change or leave for reverse block.

Good luck.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS some others with this same warning...all xxx factor and newer from storm...all one balls from Ebo....all (assymetric)zones recently from Brunswick
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high_revs · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2006, 12:04:39 PM »

I'm trying to understand & fairly new to drilling language. So, for a right-handed bowler, the MB (white,locator-pin), on assym. balls it is highly recommended that should be placed on the right side (positive?) side of thumb hole. Am i correct?

My ZCRP is layed out just like IL_BOWLER & track is clipping the thumb hole. If i redrilled with pin,cg,+mb on right positive side will that help in lowering track?? thanks.

luvdasport · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2006, 12:23:08 PM »

my 2 cents...

my vapor zone is drilled this way...

pin is just abit below and beside ring finger. cg is about 2 inch below pin slightly kicked out to the right and mass bias is about 1 - 1 1/2 inch right of thumb hole. only thing i know for sure is that this ball hooks alot to the pocket. i've had for about a week now and i have not shot any games less than 200.

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thirtyclean · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2006, 12:30:49 PM »

Mike,
We have been selling Vapor Zones like hotcakes at
Chicago's Bowlers Shop located at Brunswick Zone Niles and
Rich Blake has drilled a few of these that have posted
800's already. He can answer questions about the best layouts
of these balls if you give hime a call. Loose5682 is
also good at layouts of these at that shop. Andy is a
frequent poster also.

Thirtyclean !

BrunsBob · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2006, 11:01:22 PM »

Never put the MB locator pin past your thumb (towards your track). There is never any reason I can think of to even experiment with doing that. We warn against it for a reason, as do other ball companies.

RoB LAW

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