Author Topic: what do you all think??? (Read 3603 times)

PUGIDOGS · « **on:** August 24, 2006, 07:05:42 AM »

A little back ground. I recently started bowling again after a 17 year lay off. To start I bought a power groove reactive. Drilled:

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I like this cheap ball for med to med oily lanes. It is stronger than I though it would be. It does not work well for dry to med dry lanes. My speed is 17 to 18 mph. med revs. Generally it works when thrown across 12 to 15 mark and out to 5 to 8 board, goes to the pocket well. Last night I finally ran into flooded lanes. I had to go straight up 7 board to get to the pocket. This is the house I will be bowling league in. It does not know what a house shot is. It will have bone dry one day and flooded the next. They like to keep everyone honest I guess. Honor scores are rare here. I rather enjoy the challenge. But to my question. What would you all recomend for a med oily to oily lanes ball. I ask this because I am learning all over again about balls. Reactive covers although older technology is new to me. I want to stay with the BIG B for my arsenal and have one to start....thanx, Doug

BrunsMike · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2006, 10:44:40 AM »

For heavy oil, some guys would say any high load partical ball but since Brunswick does not have any high load particals that leaves you with a few balls to look into. The only partical ball of recent release is the Impulse Zone which could be used on a medium heavy shot. With an agressive layout and softer ball speed, this could be a great matchup. The other 2 balls on the market from brunswick claimed for heavy oil would be the Ultimate Inferno or the new version of the UI, Scorchin Inferno. I have a scorchin inferno with pin under the fingers and x-hole down also. This was a bad layout for me but could be good for those with a low track and lower revs. Just some ideas.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite offical ending average: 179.8

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2006, 11:36:33 AM »

just for an fyi, particle is not spelled partical. anyway, brunswick makes a low load particle ball, the bvp ambush. i 've had some luck with it when it's kept dull. keep it dull and drill it strong and you may get it to work. a good reactive ball would be the scorchin' inferno.

PUGIDOGS · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2006, 11:40:09 AM »

Mike, thank you for the input. I was wondering if anyone would reply with brunsnick's red zone video posted up here I can see were all the attention was. I would like to here a comparison of the strike zone versus some of the infernos. Being I am going to compiling a 3 ball arsenal for now I really dont want just a heavy oil ball. I would like something that is good for med to heavy oil. Any thoughts.....thanx Doug

PUGIDOGS · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2006, 11:43:25 AM »

Greg, but how does the scorchin work on med lanes? Is it to strong or burn up easy?

Also my diagram did not come out right. Pin is at 2:00 from ring finger and weight is stacked....Doug

BrunsMike · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2006, 01:30:21 AM »

Actually, I need to update my comment from my previous post. When I said Brunswick does not make a high load particle ball, I was wrong. I completely forgot 1 ball. The Goliath is a high load particle ball. While there wasnt a big demand for that ball and for those that have used it, they werent all that impressed with its ability. Some said a pearl ball would out hook it, and they could be right. I wouldnt know as ive never used the Goliath personally. I have not seen many people with it either.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite offical ending average: 179.8

mogators · « **Reply #6 on:** August 26, 2006, 07:22:07 AM »

Doug,
I have not thrown it, but I would think the Wizard would be a great med. to med. heavy shot ball. It has a great core and cover stock that could be left sanded for heavier oil, or polished up for medium oil. Of course it depends on your game and how the ball is drilled. The Strike Zone is also a great ball.

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2006, 09:00:44 AM »

the goliath has been discontinued but can be found at pro shops if you look around. pugidogs, my scorchin' inferno is used for oily lanes that's why i left it wetsanded 600 grit. if you wetsand it finer and polish it you could use it on medium lanes.

BrunsMike · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2006, 04:01:29 PM »

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the goliath has been discontinued but can be found at pro shops if you look around. pugidogs, my scorchin' inferno is used for oily lanes that's why i left it wetsanded 600 grit. if you wetsand it finer and polish it you could use it on medium lanes.

Theres a pro shop in my area with 13-15 of them, all from the original 1st batch purchase, he has not sold ANY since they came out. Kinda says something about the ball I think.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite offical ending average: 179.8

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2006, 08:31:26 PM »

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the goliath has been discontinued but can be found at pro shops if you look around. pugidogs, my scorchin' inferno is used for oily lanes that's why i left it wetsanded 600 grit. if you wetsand it finer and polish it you could use it on medium lanes.

Theres a pro shop in my area with 13-15 of them, all from the original 1st batch purchase, he has not sold ANY since they came out. Kinda says something about the ball I think.
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Mike Zadler

No, it doesn't say anything about the ball. It says that the house doesn't use enough oil to warrant the use of such a strong ball. The ball is a fine ball and has/had many supporters. If that pro shop sells/sold many Ultimates or Scorchin Infernos, it may[/] also say that the shop prefers to sell more expensive balls (like Infernos) than less expensives ones (like MVPs).
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

BrunsMike · « **Reply #10 on:** August 26, 2006, 08:43:05 PM »

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the goliath has been discontinued but can be found at pro shops if you look around. pugidogs, my scorchin' inferno is used for oily lanes that's why i left it wetsanded 600 grit. if you wetsand it finer and polish it you could use it on medium lanes.

Theres a pro shop in my area with 13-15 of them, all from the original 1st batch purchase, he has not sold ANY since they came out. Kinda says something about the ball I think.
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Mike Zadler

No, it doesn't say anything about the ball. It says that the house doesn't use enough oil to warrant the use of such a strong ball. The ball is a fine ball and has/had many supporters. If that pro shop sells/sold many Ultimates or Scorchin Infernos, it may[/] also say that the shop prefers to sell more expensive balls (like Infernos) than less expensives ones (like MVPs).
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

He sells alot of the medium priced equipment in the $130-$190 range. He does sell some balls in the higher priced range but only if the buyer knows what they want. It was wrong of me to say that thats what it says about the ball. I do appologize for that statement.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite offical ending average: 179.8

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2006, 11:14:40 PM »

keep in mind the goliath was designed for heavy oil and/or carrydown. brunswick had to upgrade their hook rating to accomodate this ball. bowlers with high ball speed would benefit from this ball. sanding this ball very fine and polishing it would reduce the over/under on a fresh shot. i've used mine dull---anywhere from 220 grit to 1,000 grit. provided the lane condition would allow use of the ball it worked fine. that's true of any ball.

toomanytenpins · « **Reply #12 on:** August 28, 2006, 06:58:30 PM »

if you like cheap stick with the power groove drill it pin under ring and dull it up with the price of balls these days this is the most inexpensive way to go when you dont really know what you want 9.99 on ebay right now.
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my style, the art of bowling without bowling

BrunsMike · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2006, 08:35:35 PM »

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if you like cheap stick with the power groove drill it pin under ring and dull it up with the price of balls these days this is the most inexpensive way to go when you dont really know what you want 9.99 on ebay right now.
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my style, the art of bowling without bowling

I tell alot of the kids that I coach that very same thing. If they are just starting to learn how to hook the ball, great peice for them to learn on.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite offical ending average: 179.8

NateNice · « **Reply #14 on:** August 28, 2006, 09:04:25 PM »

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keep in mind the goliath was designed for heavy oil and/or carrydown. brunswick had to upgrade their hook rating to accomodate this ball. bowlers with high ball speed would benefit from this ball. sanding this ball very fine and polishing it would reduce the over/under on a fresh shot. i've used mine dull---anywhere from 220 grit to 1,000 grit. provided the lane condition would allow use of the ball it worked fine. that's true of any ball.

I have a Goliath, it's a good ball. It's definitely not for everyone and not for every lane condition. When I got it, it was my first reactive ball (well, proactive I guess) and I was just getting into bowling and learning how to throw a good arcing shot. The Goliath assisted in this a lot and now I use it only as a heavy oil ball, which comes up often enough to at least open the night.

But really, the lanes have to be right for it. This ball will move, move, move if you can rev it a bit. It's also very "rolley". I can see why people, especially experiences bowlers wouldn't like it too much as it doesn't have a lot of skid->snap and might lose power in the heads and mids.

But like I said, when the lanes are really oily this thing really rocks. You can throw it out there and count on it to come on back, hitting the pins really good.

Good ball that has fairly specific lane conditions. If you're a tweener or stroker it has a wider range of lane conditions. And you're right, if you have good ball speed then this is a good ball.

Also, it's a good "soaker" ball to practice with. Throw it 5 times on each lane in warmups if you can, if not more, and notice how much oil you're wiping off your ball.

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