Author Topic: why Brunswick.... why (Read 30142 times)

bighook69 · « **on:** June 16, 2005, 10:46:43 AM »

I really like the fact that bowling balls are made in the USA... but, Brunswick, who has a plant near me (Muskegon, Michigan) is moving a ball making plant to Mexico...

any reason besides its cheaper behind the move?
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Lane Bed · « **Reply #46 on:** June 17, 2005, 12:29:09 AM »

The Nation said Viva la nacion de Brunswick" and the owners took it seriously.

If the save $6,000,000 dollars a year and layoff 115 workers that is 52,000 per worker including benefits. Now they will be paying other workers minus that I do not think any of these workers at the Michigan plant was getting real rich. Just a bunch of people trying to hack out a living that no longer will have that option.

Mexican plants do not work like factories here. There are no real employees. They line up outside the plant and a foreman comes out and picks who will work that day. They get paid by the day and might only work here and there. They have no loyality to their employers, who have none to them. There are no pensions, or 401k's or unemployment. They make a product that a months pay would not buy and almost all are uneducated.

Since NAFTA mexican wages have declined 2/3 of what they were 8 years ago.

Quality - you do the math.

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TTforshort · « **Reply #47 on:** June 17, 2005, 12:40:31 AM »

I am very pro "Buy American." My livelihood depends on it. I will think long and hard before buying another Brunswick ball.

Is there a Track Nation?

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BrunsNick · « **Reply #48 on:** June 17, 2005, 01:44:52 AM »

They are not laying off workers, there are some that will relocate. This location is just off the Texas/Mexico border. The rest are being paid off for their pensions. I don't know all the specifics, but only a handful of employees at that plant will be out looking for work.

The new plant will be state of the art, remember that the current plant is like 100 years old.

And to whoever was comparing this to a Walmart takeover, Bowling is maaaaybe 10% of the Brunswick Corporation. They are doing this to save that portion of the company so it can make advancements in the industry with machinery that is state of the art.

Enough with the conspiracy theories, hearsay, and garble.
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Hex017 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 17, 2005, 02:21:28 AM »

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They are not laying off workers, there are some that will relocate. This location is just off the Texas/Mexico border. The rest are being paid off for their pensions. I don't know all the specifics, but only a handful of employees at that plant will be out looking for work.

The new plant will be state of the art, remember that the current plant is like 100 years old.

And to whoever was comparing this to a Walmart takeover, Bowling is maaaaybe 10% of the Brunswick Corporation. They are doing this to save that portion of the company so it can make advancements in the industry with machinery that is state of the art.

Enough with the conspiracy theories, hearsay, and garble.
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Nick only a handful....how would you like to be one of "only a handful?" I'm no all jobs stay in America activist but really now come on...

There I go again, expecting more out of this great company we call Brunswick. I absolutely HATE seeing ANY jobs move out of America to make a quick buck.
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BrunsNick · « **Reply #50 on:** June 17, 2005, 02:24:31 AM »

They are given a 2 year notice... I think they'll be just fine.
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bighook69 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 17, 2005, 06:36:40 AM »

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what about Brunswick doing things for money... sounds like they care more about money than the average bowler to me

take any business course and the first thing you learn is the roll of any business IS TO MAKE MONEY!

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But the customers are giving the money so you must please the customer... Brunswick must apeal to the customer (average bowler) and have a good product to boot, otherwise the average bowler will take his buisiness elseware. With this action they are not thinking about the customer at all, they are thinking about money but they seemed to overlook the people who give them all this money.
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KMAN300 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 17, 2005, 07:47:57 AM »

Well this new money saving DECISION??? Should mean we should be buying Brunswick balls for $50- $75.00 for the high performance stuff. If they only have to pay their new workers $3-$5.00 per hour shouldn't the cost drop drasticly? I wonder if the quality will go in the crapper?? This just kills me how PEOPLE THINK SO LITTLE OF THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS.

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BrunsNick · « **Reply #53 on:** June 17, 2005, 08:05:57 AM »

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Well this new money saving DECISION??? Should mean we should be buying Brunswick balls for $50- $75.00 for the high performance stuff. If they only have to pay their new workers $3-$5.00 per hour shouldn't the cost drop drasticly? I wonder if the quality will go in the crapper?? This just kills me how PEOPLE THINK SO LITTLE OF THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS.

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Oh cut it out, I have to wake up and read this jargin?

And in regards to "thinking so little", your post proved you were doing just that.
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azus · « **Reply #54 on:** June 17, 2005, 08:11:40 AM »

If they move pthe produtction, I think they should lower the prices on their balls.

KMAN300 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 17, 2005, 08:18:50 AM »

Nick,
Have you ever lost your JOB(income) because of a move like this?? I have a couple of close friends and relatives that experienced this. "It's not good thing to see this happen to a family member or friend!! If you've no compassion for friends or fellow americans Your not really thinking!!
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EL · « **Reply #56 on:** June 17, 2005, 08:55:44 AM »

Hello folks, wake up and smell the coffee. It's all about $$$$$$$. Do you really think the big corporations factors in your "boycotts" in their decision making? If you think Brunswick will lower their prices since it's produced in Mexico, well, think again. If you continue to boycott anything made outside of the USA, then in a few years the only thing you will be buying is toilet paper.

BrunsNick · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2005, 09:01:09 AM »

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It is always about the money.

You're right, and when the livelihood of the company sector itself is in potential jeopardy, then re-evaluation is needed. I'm not for a few people losing jobs, the ones that have been there a long time will be compensated, and the new ones will just have to find work elsewhere. The new plant will redefine the standard of bowling ball production, not cheapen it.

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BigWillyStyle · « **Reply #58 on:** June 17, 2005, 09:06:51 AM »

Don't forget...just because the work is somewhat cheaper doesn't mean that they can just instantly drop the price of bowling balls to "$50-75"...that's just RETARTED!!!!!!!!! They have to pay for the brand new facility to be built. And as for the jobs being lost by a close one??? Can we say I had 2 relatives at Enron that got screwed over. Oh, and that wasn't by a move for the better, that was by the greedy corporate American that felt he wasn't making enough as a CEO or other big wig in the company...so don't lecture me about people close losing jobs...at least with this company they are making more jobs for others!

Big Willy Style

PS I am with BrunsNick on this one...do I really have to unsettle my stomach with this crap first thing in the morning?!?
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KMAN300 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 17, 2005, 09:16:16 AM »

Well hell,
Lets just move all the american companies out of the United States!
Do you agree with that one too?

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louie · « **Reply #60 on:** June 17, 2005, 09:38:51 AM »

If you depend on an assembly line in the USA, you are in real trouble. There is virtually no product that can not be made cheaper somewhere else. Labor costs are labor costs. If you were Brunswick's CEO this would be an easy decision. You get a new plant that is financed with reduced labor costs. Down the line you get better profit margins. If you want a dependable job go into a service industry. Get into Shipping, heathcare, or be an electrician or Plumber. Those jobs can't be outsoursed. They have to be local. This is the way of the present and future. The American factory worker is an endangered species.
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