Post by: Dennis Rhodes on April 10, 2009, 05:34:45 AM
Thanks,
Dennis
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Post by: Verbs on April 10, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
I asked the same question when I first started working for Brunswick in 2002 of then R & D director, Bill Wasserberger.
Bill informed me that there was something that was not environmentally friendly with the production of the 2 part chemical process, that combined make urethane. So they decided to discontinue the production of the Proactive 2.0 cover.
Verbs
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Larry Verble
Post by: shelley on April 10, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
SH
Post by: holland1945 on April 11, 2009, 07:30:00 PM
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Post by: Steven on April 12, 2009, 11:48:30 AM
The fact is that Brunswick is offering fire sale pricing on some of their line-up. Rico confirmed this in the 'brunswick discount' thread:
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Brunswick just discontinued most of there current line. That may be why you are seeing so many balls on Bowling Ball or any other etailer.
That means that either demand is very low, or that Brunswick mismanaged their production output. Neither option suggests anything good for the company. But look at the bright side -- there is plenty of cheap equipment for you to pick up. Think positive.....
Post by: Easy10pins on April 12, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
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Solid 7 Pin?? 299 Game??!! WTF
Post by: leftyinsnellville on April 13, 2009, 07:51:43 AM
It really isn't that hard to get the oil back out once the reaction starts to fade.
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on April 13, 2009, 08:49:50 AM
Post by: Steven on April 13, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
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hmmm, what brunswick balls are not selling? I just love blanket statements like that.
CRD: I responded to your statement with some hard cold reality. Instead of dealing with it at the level of real information for discussion, you come back with a flippant 'why don't you spend your time over at the Lane #1 slappy site?'.
Typical. When faced with any concept that exceeds your limited capacity, you respond at a level consistent with your 6th grade education. You're a real posting marvel.
Back to the original question, I had a used Denim Quantum, and I was very impressed with the cover longevity. I had wondered what happened to Proactive 2.0, so the response by Verbs was very helpful.
Post by: BrunsBob on April 13, 2009, 09:24:04 PM
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I always thought the goal was for the coverstock to absorb as much oil as possible as quickly as possible thereby enhancing the reaction.
It really isn't that hard to get the oil back out once the reaction starts to fade.
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You hit the nail on the head Lefty. The faster the oil absorption, the better the ball reaction. Oil that stays on the surface affects traction. What we have experienced with our coverstocks though is that they are easier to return to original reaction with proper maitenance.
By the way, we are cleaning house to make room for new introductions this summer. We are continuing with the transition from the Zone brand to the Wild brand, thus the need to eliminate the Smash and Ultra Zones. The Maxxx is still doing well enough to warrant staying in the line. The Twisted line did just okay and we've developed something we really like and feel it needed a whole new brand name change rather than risk it not selling as well because of the reputation that Twisteds have with some shops and bowlers. The Sidewinder has been out over a year and a half and the Swarm pretty much got shut out once the Rattler proved to be so good, thus the need to eliminate both of those. Pretty much the story there. Lookin' forward to Bowl Expo to show off the new goods.
RoB LaW
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Post by: nocarey on April 13, 2009, 09:48:05 PM
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. . . Lookin' forward to Bowl Expo to show off the new goods.
RoB LaW
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looking forward to additions in the Wild Line.
any hints as to what they are?
Post by: BrunsBob on April 13, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
RoB LaW
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I'm gettin' old, I'm hurtin', but I've got Brunswick balls.......Color me competitive.
Post by: TheDude on April 14, 2009, 11:34:41 AM
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Dennis,
I asked the same question when I first started working for Brunswick in 2002 of then R & D director, Bill Wasserberger.
Bill informed me that there was something that was not environmentally friendly with the production of the 2 part chemical process, that combined make urethane. So they decided to discontinue the production of the Proactive 2.0 cover.
Verbs
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just a thought but now that they are in mexico they could make it again. there enviromental laws are softer.
Larry Verble
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shops
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Post by: Verbs on April 14, 2009, 05:12:03 PM
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Dennis,
I asked the same question when I first started working for Brunswick in 2002 of then R & D director, Bill Wasserberger.
Bill informed me that there was something that was not environmentally friendly with the production of the 2 part chemical process, that combined make urethane. So they decided to discontinue the production of the Proactive 2.0 cover.
Verbs
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just a thought but now that they are in mexico they could make it again. there enviromental laws are softer.
Larry Verble
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shops
LaSalle, Quebec-Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta. -Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
Keep them honest!
Ebay store updated very often: http://stores.ebay.com/gumby3170
Sorry Dude. But it was the manufacturing, here in the states, of one or both of the components that make urethane, that was causing the issue.
Verbs
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Larry Verble
Post by: nocarey on April 14, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
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One new Wild this summer......no other hints at this time.
RoB LaW
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I'm gettin' old, I'm hurtin', but I've got Brunswick balls.......Color me competitive.
hmmmm. . .Wild _____
Post by: TheDude on April 14, 2009, 10:13:01 PM
" Verbs Gone Wild "
oh verbs in a white tshirt being sprayed with a super soaker. lol what a scary thought.
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LaSalle, Quebec-Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta. -Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
Keep them honest!
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Post by: BrunsBob on April 14, 2009, 11:01:19 PM
RoB LaW
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I'm gettin' old, I'm hurtin', but I've got Brunswick balls.......Color me competitive.
Post by: Verbs on April 15, 2009, 06:19:07 AM
How are y'all not on the Blue Collar Comedy Tour?!?
Verbs
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Larry Verble
Post by: Mike Austin on April 15, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Git R Done!!
Oh yeah, drilling me an Ultra Zone today. Coming back to bowling after
9 months off. Got me a Blast Zone, two Strike Zones, and an Avalanch used
off Ebay. Brunswick (and Storm) is all you need!! LOL!!
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Post by: DON DRAPER on April 15, 2009, 02:35:59 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 16, 2009, 12:15:52 AM
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Oh yeah, drilling me an Ultra Zone today. Coming back to bowling after
9 months off. Got me a Blast Zone, two Strike Zones, and an Avalanch used
off Ebay. Brunswick (and Storm) is all you need!! LOL!!
Mike, are you drilling your own or is Anne drilling them for you?
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Brick
Post by: Mike Austin on April 16, 2009, 05:01:04 PM
Man, is the Blast Zone a nice ball. Pin under the bridge about 4 1/2 from PAP with the mass bias at about 60 degrees, no hole. This ball rolls great, hits really good. I can't hit the same place twice yet, but this is a nice ball. Box surface, hooks about the same amount as my Cell, but sharper, Cell is box dull. Makes more excited about the Ultra Zone.
Brick, I drill my own stuff even if I'm at Anne Marie's. This time I went to Heritage. It is closer to home by about 15-20 minutes. His press is faster, her Jayhawk jig is nice, but it takes longer. I'm used to the Vacu Jig, which is lightning fast compared to either of these two.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on April 16, 2009, 09:35:06 PM
Post by: nocarey on April 16, 2009, 10:33:00 PM
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"scary" is an understatement.
RoB LaW
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I'm gettin' old, I'm hurtin', but I've got Brunswick balls.......Color me competitive.
hmmm. . .Wilder Ride. . .Wild Force. . .and for the spare ball, Mild Ride
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 17, 2009, 12:44:54 AM
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Brick, I drill my own stuff even if I'm at Anne Marie's. This time I went to Heritage. It is closer to home by about 15-20 minutes. His press is faster, her Jayhawk jig is nice, but it takes longer. I'm used to the Vacu Jig, which is lightning fast compared to either of these two.
Mike, I wish you could drill mine. Donnie's drilling has gotten not so good on the last 3 bballs he has drilled for me.
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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."
Brick
Post by: holland1945 on April 17, 2009, 06:25:03 AM
If you both have time and you have a spec sheet or a comfortable ball to send him to figure out the specs (I know some drillers are weird about telling you your own specs and that drives me nuts), Mike will do a great job for you...I've had many (more than I'd wish to admit) drilled by him and have been happy every time.--------------------
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 17, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
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I've never met the guy in person and he drills mine, but I don't know what kind of time he has (and how much time you have to wait) If you both have time and you have a spec sheet or a comfortable ball to send him to figure out the specs (I know some drillers are weird about telling you your own specs and that drives me nuts), Mike will do a great job for you...I've had many (more than I'd wish to admit) drilled by him and have been happy every time.
Holland, no doubt in my mind about Mike. I've met and talked to Mike a few times and have heard about his drilling and even saw him drilling for someone out of town once in Edmond at Anne Marie's shop and was very impressed at the care he was taking to get the pitches and span exact. Thus, with his fitting knowledge and drilling skills, I wish he had his own drill to drill for others.
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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."
Brick